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Brought over from the lounge...
How about allowing a user to simply mark an article as "useful", with no other option. That way, the article accumulates a number of "useful" votes, and mostly by the people that actually use the code.
Maybe we could refer to "useful" votes as "Bobs". So if an article has a high number of "Bobs", it must be a good article.
Converting existing articles to the new system would entail making all 3-5 votes count as "useful" votes, and 1-2 votes would simply be ignored.
I think this system would eliminate the negative voting (and the problems created as a result) completely.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
modified on Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:13 PM
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It's an excellent idea, and one to be applauded. It also seems to be a glimpse of the softer, caring side of the outlaw programmer.
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I totally agree.
The only thing I will miss about the current voting system is that when I'm looking for an article, I will usually look at the highest-rated article first, then the next, and so on. Over time, I suppose the "useful vote count" (divided by number of views ?) will supplant this.
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Hans Dietrich wrote: (divided by number of views ?)
Right, how do you compare a new article with 10 Bobs for 10 views against an older article with 100 Bobs for 1000 views?
But "views" would be no good anyway; I can (and do) view articles multiple times, but can only provide one vote. Even an article I like would be diminished each time I refer back to it. Heck, I wouldn't want to recommend my own articles to anyone unless I was sure they'd vote positively for it.
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Great Idea John.
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. - Martin Luther King Jr.
Ernest Laurentin
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OK, so let's use this[^] article as an example. Would the average Code Project member consider it useful? At first glance I don't - I suspect many others would feel the same way. I do consider it a good article though.
I think your idea has merit, but I think article rating and article usefullness are two different things. Views tend to reflect expected usefullness (based on the title) over time, so there is a bit of overlap.
Perhaps both ratings would be appropriate. A usefullness rating and an article quality rating.
Cheers,
Drew.
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Here's my suggestion:
Some people vote 1 point because they genuinely feel that something sucks.
Some people vote 1 point because that's the measure of their own life.
We want to encourage the former and minimise the latter (give them back a "1 vote" to reflect their voting pattern that in turn reflects their life).
Currently, voting is distinguished from leaving a message. To vote and leave a message requires two separate submissions.
My suggestion is to explicitly combine voting and leaving a message.
Anyone can still just vote, or just leave a message, or combine both in one action.
Where they have to do both is if they are an early voter for a message or article, regardless of what their vote is (otherwise slime-bag 1 voters will just become 2 voters). Or where they vote against the trend.
Of course, their message can get voted down (or up), and this can be used to give a weighting to their vote. The message can also be marked as spam/abuse and the associated vote discarded entirely.
I just love Koalas - they go great with Bacon.
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Lee Humphries wrote: Some people vote 1 point because they genuinely feel that something sucks
My contention is that the pre-screening that gets done before an article is posted theoretically should weed out all the articles that would, for one reason or another, garner a 1 (or even 2). At that point, the article is either useful to one or more other users, or it's not.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: My contention is that the pre-screening that gets done before an article is posted theoretically should weed out all the articles that would, for one reason or another, garner a 1 (or even 2).
I think that depends on who does the "pre-screening". From the message that appears at the top of the article being screened:
Purpose: to stop the publication of obviously inappropriate material, plagiarised content or articles that are clearly not an actual article. If the author has genuinely tried to provide a decent article, even if they may need some encouraging to improve it, then let it through.
Based on that, even if the article is clearly not useful but well-written (such as the one[^] Drew pointed to) it should still be allowed through for the community to vote on its usefulness.
Scott Dorman Microsoft® MVP - Visual C# | MCPD
President - Tampa Bay IASA
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Hey, hey, hey. Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
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I guess I don't understand your argument.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Actually I liked your idea about useful vs. not. My only addition to that is that the useful or not votes be recorded according to what else the voting user also likes / dislikes, so that users can find things by following what other users who share their preferences also liked.
I just love Koalas - they go great with Bacon.
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Lee Humphries wrote: Actually I liked your idea about useful vs. not. My only addition to that is that the useful or not votes be recorded according to what else the voting user also likes / dislikes, so that users can find things by following what other users who share their preferences also liked.
But an article's usefulness to another user shouldn't indicate a trend in what the user likes/dislikes. When I say "useful", I mean it's got a coding technique, or explanatory text that a given user finds useful - and whether code is useful or not depends on what the user is looking for.
Personally, I don't scan the articles unless I'm looking for something in particular. If I use the code (or derive code from it), I mark it a 4 or 5. If I don't use it, I usually don't vote it at all.
[EDIT] Correct a misspelling and add a missing parenthesis.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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QUOTE: "Personally, I don't scan the articles unless I'm looking for something in particular. If I use the code (or derive code from it, I mark it a 4 or 5. If I don't used it, I usually don't vote it at all."
(Sorry, qoute buttons don't appear when I am in the firm)
Completely agree. I do the same.
Regards.
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M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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FFS, give it a break man.
The Web Developer wrote: didn't i said if u r not chris don't read this message so who read it other than chris M. i thought their is only one chris M. here
Send him a private email, then.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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The C# forum is getting flooded with useless questions.
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I second that.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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leppie wrote: The C# forum is getting flooded with useless questions.
And that's not just for reporting services. The crap to useful ratio is extremely high.
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They show up in the WebDev forum too. As do Crystal Reports questions.
Hmm...
Could we maybe get a generic "Reporting" forum... and a bit of code server-side to funnel all messages containing "Report" into it? 
---- You're right.
These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets .
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I am trying to submit an article but all " in <pre></pre> blocks are displayed as " Why? I'm using FF3
Giorgi Dalakishvili
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It appears we have a bug.
Added to the bug list.
Sincerely,
Elina
Life is great!!!
Enjoy every moment of it! 
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Looking at the source shows that article editor changes " to &quot;
You will find same behavior if you look at recently submitted articles.
Giorgi Dalakishvili
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Yes, I know, thanks.
Sincerely,
Elina
Life is great!!!
Enjoy every moment of it!
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Hope it will be fixed soon that I can submit my article. Thanks
Giorgi Dalakishvili
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Yep...this just happened to an article I just updated as well. Will we need to correct this once the bug is fixed?
Scott Dorman Microsoft® MVP - Visual C# | MCPD
President - Tampa Bay IASA
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Hey, hey, hey. Don't be mean. We don't have to be mean because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
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