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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: He'll offer to redecorate people's houses in pastel shades.
Preferably pink with drawings of kitten 
Yurk, that sounds scary...
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I just wanted to lightly touch on some topic that have come up in the lounge...
internet forums are internet forums...people get in fights and act like asses. it's not going to end unless you remove the people.
articles though, i have thought about writing my first article...however if my first article got a 1 vote and i didn't know why it did (or even who, that that this matters if the reason is legit) then I would get discouraged from bothering again.
and on the topic of forums/areas of the site that restrict members based on rating, i applaud cp for not being an uppity community where users have to "work their way up" just to use the site for its original intention.
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i have been here for almost 1 year  i've posted some 500 messages.
mostly to the lounge, however, i have tried my best trying to help out in the ASP.NET forums because that one seems to need a lot of attention 
im basically the only developer in my building/department so this site is a place where i can go geek out for a bit...which is why i mostly am here for the people.
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"When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
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jgasm wrote: i have thought about writing my first article...however if my first article got a 1 vote and i didn't know why it did (or even who, that that this matters if the reason is legit) then I would get discouraged from bothering again.
You have to adopt a positive attitude here. Why are you writing the article? To get votes? I can pretty much guarantee that you will get 1 votes, no matter how good the article is. You should realize that in the long run, a few 1's won't matter - they will be overwhelmed by the votes from mature readers. What matters to me is the good comments I get from the professionals here, who help me improve my articles and my code.
If I was concerned about 1 votes, I would never have written my first article.
One suggestion: ask someone you respect in the area of the article to pre-review it and give you some comments.
Just do it!
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Yes I see what you're saying...but to me, if im getting a 1 vote no biggy. But if im getting two or three and there's no feed back as to why then those votes mean nothing...
and that's what I'm getting at. I have lots of 1 votes. I dont care.
But if it's SUPPOSED to help give constructive criticism on an article, then it isn't doing that because there's no requirement to explain why the article is bad then really, these votes are just wasted and negative.
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"When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
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jgasm wrote: these votes are just wasted and negative.
Exactly. They're wasted, negative, and worthless, which is why I ignore them.
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Hans Dietrich wrote: Exactly. They're wasted, negative, and worthless, which is why I ignore them.
Your attitude is to be commended, but it doesn't mean that his feelings are irrelevant.
Jon
Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Oakman wrote: it doesn't mean that his feelings are irrelevant
No, certainly not. I hope I did not offend by my post. I was only trying to encourage.
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You also need to keep in mind those few CP members who abuse their voting priveledges and just vote ones for no reason. All of my articles got 'vote spammed' about a month ago by some random immature CP user.
Regards,
Thomas Stockwell
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that's my point. if they were required to give more information it would help eliminate that kind of stuff from going on. or at least prevent a good portion of it.
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This ad (http://www.codeproject.com/KB/showcase/StaticAnalysisOnSteroids.aspx[^]) just appeared in the Last 10 Updates section. I thought this stuff was supposed to be confined to the Product Showcase section. It's not an article, it's an ad - if it was an article, I could add a comment, which I can't with this ad.
I really object to having ads appear in the Last 10 Updates column.
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Product Showcase articles have always shown up in the latest top 10 articles.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I apologize. I did not notice this before.
Now that I have noticed, I really object to it. They're ads, not articles. They should not compete with legitimate articles for front-page real estate. Keep them in the Product Showcase column, where they belong. There they can compete with each other.
Please stop this immediately.
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We have tried to mark all showcase articles as paid placements. Maybe we need to add an icon or something (a "$" sign next to it?) to indicate it's a paid article.
We have also tried to ensure that all showcase articles are about products that we feel are of interest and of value to our readers. Interest is always in the eye of the beholder.
We're a long, long way away from many other sites that bombard you with ads to the point where you can't actually find the content, and we intend to stay this way, but it can be tricky finding a balance between advertising to support what we've built here and consideration of those who use the site.
In any case I've talked to the team and we agree with you on this one: we'll remove showcase articles from the list of latest articles.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Excellent! Next time I'm in Toronto I'll buy you dinner at Rugantino's.
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That would be an honour.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I found this post in the lounge[^] about privacity and anonimous voting. After reading the whole thread (it has some good messages) I answered with this message[^] that my suggestion as well.
What do you think about?
Greetings.
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M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
“The First Rule of Program Optimization: Don't do it. The Second Rule of Program Optimization (for experts only!): Don't do it yet.” - Michael A. Jackson
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The best solutions are usually the simplest solution. Your suggestion may provide a breakdown of votes from most unreliable to most reliable (though this is not guaranteed) but only by complicating the voting to the point where there's no easy way to compare two articles (or even the same article from one day to the next). If votes by a certain member level are unreliable then the solution is to remove those votes.
It's not this simple though: most votes are representative of readers opinions but there are cases where members are voted down spuriously by a very small number of members. Over time these votes are rendered insignificant, but the initial drop in a member's vote still causes a fair degree of consternation.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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i am a bronze member.
i am very active in the lounge.
i help people in the forums when i can. mostly asp.net
as of tonite in the asp.net forum i just solved a silver members gridview issue.
so a bronze member (me) contributed and helped a silver member.
so i dont like the idea of any segregations being made based on membership "ranking"
all the best 
jgasm
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Ranking is not set in stone and no single person is perfect. Every single person will need help at one time or might need another opinion. Overall a CP user may be slated as a silver or gold user, but they are only human. Ranking is only meant to give a general idea of who may be qualified enough to answer the question. Now, that is not to say the ranking system is perfect; Chris has been udapting it over the past few months, but it should be used as a guideline and not a rule. Keep in mind that everyone once started out as a Bronze member and worked their way up. In time you may even work your way up, and over that same time you may gain the respect of the CodeProjectian community.
Regards,
Thomas Stockwell
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
Visit my homepage Oracle Studios
Discounted or Free Software for Students:
DreamSpark - downloads.channel8.msdn.com
MSDN Academic Alliance - www.msdnaa.com
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i am not talking about the ranking system being bad. im responding to the original post about having forums be restricted by user rank.
how about you read before you go ranting off about the ranking system.
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I've just had a look at the BBC's new home page - I think something similar would look quite smart on CodeProject...
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Nice
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Would you consider a premium membership where users can choose to interact only with other premium members on the Lounge and SB? The CP staff decides on premium members. Considerations can be number of answers in programming forums, adherence to rules of the site, number of articles posted etc.
The premium users can also blacklist members, if they do not want to see any posts by that user. The blacklist has no other function other than this.
modified 29-Aug-18 21:01pm.
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Thomas George wrote: Considerations can be number of answers in programming forums, adherence to rules of the site, number of articles posted
Experts-Exchange has something similar called Expert-Premium where after getting 10000 points you earn a Premium Status and you can maintain it by earning 3000 points per month. There is a description here:
www.experts-exchange.com/help.jsp [^]
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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CP has filters that can be set to provide something similar. It could probably be improved, but keep in mind that CP has always been open to everyone, so anything that smacks of elitism will never be implemented here.
As far as blacklisting goes, even premium members are capable of acting like morons, (look at some of the flame wars in the Lounge), and I think blacklist wars could get really nasty.
But I agree with your sentiment about choosing who you want to interact with, and I suggest that you work it up as a proposal to Chris - maybe something like a whitelist that each member can set up for himself.
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