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AlexCode wrote: If you're a XP or Vista user you'll be able to buy a better computer at the same price if it's not a Mac.
It's not worth the price, at least not yet.
It may look that way on paper...but there's more to it than that. I spend 10-14 hrs a day at a computer. It's worth it. If you're an impartial observer, do you ever wonder why Apple users are so passionate...and PC users are so defensive? There's a reason.
Full Disclosure: I'm a Windows/ASP.NET developer and a regular presenter at the local .NET User's Group; I have 3 Apple Computers at home.
★ Shane Shepherd
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How do you develop Windows/ASP.NET apps on a Mac?
Are we talking about the harware or the OS?
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I do Windows/ASP.NET development using Visual Studio 2005 running on Windows. Windows will run on an Apple Computer or any generic PC (Dell, IBM, HP, Compaq, choose your poison). I don't use the Mac OS to do Windows development, if that's what you're asking.
★ Shane Shepherd
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I hear you. I do the same with my MacBook Pro. It is a beutiful machine and it is worth every penny.
Raul Macias
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For the first time, I switched to Mac for my main development machine. I can run both Leopard and Vista on it. I use Leopard for personal matters and Vista for work.
After this experience I am staying with Mac computers from now on.
Raul Macias
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My home development environment has been a Mac for some time. Running Parallels, Vista, Visual Studio. At this point I'm using a Mac Mini. Space requirements prompted the mini and it's been great choice thus far. With Blue Tooth kb and mouse there is no clutter and virtually no machine footprint. The ability to to use PS, Illustrator, Lightroom under Mac (sharing the images easily) and then VS under Vista is sweet. Coherence mode in Parallels makes things sweet.
Thomas
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AlexCode wrote: you'll be able to buy a better computer at the same price if it's not a Mac
Please tell me where you get a PC to beat the MacMini in terms of speed, volume and space, sound while running, heat and external interfaces at the same (or lower, as you boasted) price?
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"
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Everything I said above, right or wrong, was thinking about laptops, completely forgot desktops, sorry about that.
I never seen one of these working, so I'm not able to write any kind of comparison.
However it seems like nothing new...
You can build your own "mini" desktop from parts and I believe it wont lack anything this one does despite "the look" (here I go again).
Take a look at these motherboards: http://www.mini-itx.com/
Don't miss the third party cases for them...
Here's one more link: http://www.minipc.de/
What I'm saying here is that that MacMini brought nothing new to the scene except its look... We just got to love the Apple design team, that's out of question.
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AlexCode wrote: Everything I said above, right or wrong, was thinking about laptops
I, myself completely forgot laptops.
All those mini-ipcs are either nowhere near silent or severely lacking in external or both.
Plus they are not cheaper than a MacMini.
Examples I have seen tests of are AOPEN MP965 and HFX Micro[^] Sorry, linking a page in German. Much techi-talk, though.
The AOPEN is ridiculously loud and lacks peripherial connections, the HFX Micro is by a factor 1.5 more expensive.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"
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Several studies have shown that Apple doesn't care about environmental issues in any of their products.
I would not buy anything from Apple under these circumstances.
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antoncl wrote: Several studies have shown that Apple doesn't care about environmental issues in any of their products
Citation please - And how does this compare with the environmental record of companies such as IBM, Dell, Gateway, HP and so on?
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Greenpeace has made a number of studies, where Apple has consistently scored low
Here are some links:
http://www.soxfirst.com/50226711/rotten_apple_greenpeace.php
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=BA2CE941-976A-BF4F-F737C0FE47796936
http://www.news.com/Greenpeace,-Apple-clash-over-toxic-waste/2100-1014_3-6110513.html
Here is a link to Greenpeace's website dedicated to the Apple campaign http://www.greenpeace.org/apple/
A search on Google with the keywords "apple environmental impact" will return numerous links.
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Given the nature of high technology manufacturing in general, and semiconductor and printed circuit manufacturing specifically, none of these companies are 'environmentally friendly'.
You have a choice. Do your calculations by hand on 100% post-consumer recycled paper, or make a slide rule using second-growth farmed trees.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Environmentally friendly isn't an absolute. My objection isn't against technology as such, I am trying to explain one of the reasons why I - currently - would NOT buy any hardware make by Apple. IMO there are environmental cosiderations to be made, when purchasing any product, including high tech machinery.
Apple has consistently scored low when the environmental impact of their products are compared to other similar products from other companies, like Dell, etc.
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i have one form and several user control.in the form i put one panel in that panel i put the first user control.in the first usercontrol i have one panel in the at panel i put all the other user control. but i want to put the user control in the panel accourding the selction done from radio button. how can it possible. please help me it is urgent
MURALEEKRISHNAN
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When you have something to be clarified and that clarification is pertaining to programming, login to a forum and in that forum make sure you login to the right forum and in the right forum navigate to the right category and post your concern over there and when posting the concern follow the forum guidelines. Hope this is possible. Please adhere to it. 
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I wonder, if there is a 'Lexical Chain' (Antakshari) contest going on in the survey.
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote: I wonder, if there is a 'Lexical Chain' (Antakshari) contest going on in the survey
Wonder how they missed posting it in the Lounge. 
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I would think that most users in a Media environment - ( Graphic design, animation etc) would have chosen "yes" as an option. And listening to people around me that talk about this topic every so often, the same answer always arises. However, myself, being in the it sector as a Software and Systems engineer, i have to stick to what the world out there have chosen as the standard ( mostly microsoft). And it defeats the purpose of loading windows on a Mac.
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jccapetown wrote: And it defeats the purpose of loading windows on a Mac.
How so?
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote: Watson's law:
As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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For me to load windows on a Mac, is't going benefit me anymore than it would on a dell, ibm or intel box. So why would i bother....
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Sure but it doesn't "defeat the purpose" in any way. I have Windows XP on my Mac. It is a useful development tool being able to run multiple operating systems easily.
And I happen to like the Mac range of computers. I find them to be better than the Dell equivalent. So if I want to run Windows on the hardware best suited to me then a Mac isn't a daft choice.
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote: Watson's law:
As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Do you use the Mac os, or only xp on your Mac hardware ?
If you dont use one of Mac's os's then, then surely your over paying for hardware, as Mac is definately more expensive than other architecture. ? no ?
If I had my way, I'd can Microsoft os's and make everything run Slackware.
Unfortunately clients are all microsoft dependant, and i dont think they care what the architecture is, I doubt they even now the difference. so in my "environment" why should i overkill if the standard Architecture is not Mac, as for my problem with slackware.
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jccapetown wrote: Do you use the Mac os, or only xp on your Mac hardware ?
I use Mac OS X (just installed Leopard) as my main OS. I had Windows XP and Windows Vista installed with BootCamp but ditched that in favour of VMWare Fusion VMs.
jccapetown wrote: If you dont use one of Mac's os's then, then surely your over paying for hardware, as Mac is definately more expensive than other architecture. ? no ?
It costs more but it is better for my needs. I wouldn't go back to another laptop make unless they bettered Apple.
jccapetown wrote: so in my "environment" why should i overkill if the standard Architecture is not Mac, as for my problem with slackware.
You shouldn't. Nobody is forcing anyone to use Mac OS. Use Slackware if it makes you happy
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote: Watson's law:
As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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I wish i could use Slackware, but i develop software, and training clients to use slackware as user interface will only cause frustration for both parties. Unfortunately microsoft is the leading desktop  . For core system design and server side development, mail clients, Antivrus (like clamAv, spam-assasin) I definately use slackware. Then I'm in my "happy zone"
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