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Why is it I always feel that I'm in the minority when thinking that WF, WCF, and WPF are significant advances and something to get excited about? I've worked on teams that have tried to mash together a rules engine with a workflow package with 3rd party vendors, new databases, old databases, mainframes, etc. Standardized rules and workflow embedded right into Windows is a big thing for me. So are secure, reliable, and transactional services. And so is moving graphics processing off to the video cards instead of forcing everything through the aging GDI stuff. It's not going to solve all my problems, but it's going to give me the ability to do things that were once expensive and time-consuming. I could care less about what Microsoft was unable to deliver with Vista because there's still so much to look forward to.
I don't think we should be constantly singing Microsoft praises while ignoring their failures, it's good to keep these guys accountable for what they promise and never deliver. But all I hear is negative, which reminds me of why I stopped reading slashdot.
Logifusion[^]
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Dustin Metzgar wrote: Standardized rules and workflow embedded right into Windows is a big thing for me.
In my experience, actually determining the proper workflow(s) is the hard part, and the part that usually never gets quite finished. Slapping a UI on top is cake by comparison...
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Shog9 wrote: In my experience, actually determining the proper workflow(s) is the hard part, and the part that usually never gets quite finished.
I guess that's maybe where I don't get it then. Our workflows and rules were all created. The most difficult problem we had was getting all the third party software, legacy databases, new databases, security systems, contractors, and consultants to work together harmoniously. Standing in the middle was a workflow system and a rules system that only a few knew how to use and nobody else had the time to bother with it. The whole system ended up taking way more time and money than it was supposed to. This makes the business think poorly of it. At least with workflow and rules right in Windows, more developers can learn it and be expected to have that knowledge when hired. The hard part should be getting the workflows defined, not getting the system to work.
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Dustin Metzgar wrote: Standing in the middle was a workflow system and a rules system that only a few knew how to use and nobody else had the time to bother with it.
Oh, that. Sorry, misunderstood what you meant by "workflow".
Yeah, we've got that sort of workflow. And yeah, it's kinda hard getting the actual users to actually use it, 'cause it doesn't really flow with how they're used to working. But dammit, we'll hammer those square pegs into this CRM-shaped hole eventually, even if it kills 'em...
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Just griping. 
We've been rolling out someone's grand idea of how our sales people should work for a good long while now. Lots of progress made, lots of congratulatory back-slapping... Not so much evidence though, that this is actually anything useful to the sales people. But then, i'm not really in a position to talk.
FWIW, i do agree that having workflow support built into Windows is a Good Thing.
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Ah, gotcha. Ya, technology never seems to be able to fix management problems. But at least we can have cool toys to work with.
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Vista is crap. Of course, all of the alternatives are crap as well. In the end, same shit, different day...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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ooow an optimist 
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...to the day when the next OS after Vista is rolled out, and we can all giggle and groan over the "Hasta la vista, baby" jokes. 
Marc
Pensieve
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Marc Clifton wrote: ...to the day when the next OS after Vista is rolled out, and we can all giggle and groan over the "Hasta la vista, baby" jokes.
Regards,
Nish
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As long as it support ATL/COM, I am secure with my job...The should replace COM with any new VISTACOM or hanky panky stuff
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Vista is how god will communicate with the masses, when he descends to Earth to welcome us all up to heaven -- unless they've pulled that feature, too.
Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Yes, that got pushed back to the new, improved, and *upcoming*, version of Windows code named "Cafe-Mocha-Latte".
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0
0 rows returned
Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Chris Losinger wrote: god
From what I understand, 'God' in Vista has been reduced to a minor functionary from the Holy Harp Maintenance and Tuning subsidiary.
Software Zen: delete this;
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> From what I understand, 'God' in Vista has been reduced to a minor functionary from the Holy Harp
> Maintenance and Tuning subsidiary.
I heard he was going to replace that animated Search dog...
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what is meh ... ?
Manish Agarwal
manish.k.agarwal @ gmail DOT com
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it's the sound of bored indifference, when you're too bored and apathetic to even use a real word. you usually say it with a very small shrug.
Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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It is something Shog9 from outer space says.
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland
FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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As long as it's got SysListView32, I'm fine with it. 
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A Stern Warning of Things to Come
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