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Actually this one was Troy Marchand's fault. We got into a discussion about multiple inheritence and whether or not you can do it in .NET and then one thing led to another and here we are 
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
whether or not you can do it in .NET
I thought you cannot!
Though maybe you can from C++ but even that I am not sure.
Can you have MIed managed classes?
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote:
We were having nice simple polls like do you like the new VS.NET UI or how many of you like C# or some such nice simple stuff.
Now it's all templates and multiple inheritance.
"sarcasm=on"
Apart from the fact that this poll appears to be about "Inheritence" (I assume it has to be, since it was pointed out as typo some time ago and it's still not corrected) you seem to have missed the fact that any true .Net fan was supposed to slam on any C++ features that C# doesn't quite support on those polls. All you have to do is just to vote "I've never used templates" or "I see no need" for MI etc. You could also express deep desire to Internet-enable your application (no matter what) and you could take a good laught at those loosers who ship with the source code. There are endless possibilities just waiting for the real supporters of .Net to explore...
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote:
And that Georgie Boy is not even to be seen.
"sarcasm=mostly off"
As the CodeProject becomes more and more ".Net polluted" I simply tend to spend more time elsewhere. Oddly enought it seems like the old CodeGuru site has many good articles recently. I hang around SourceForge most of the time doing some coding, which is far more usefull and entertaining than wasting time on useless arguments. And that is where I can be seen quite easily - you just have to know where to look at 
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Welcome back george 
George wrote:
Oddly enought it seems like the old CodeGuru site has many good articles recently.
Sacrilege!!!
Nish
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Colin Davies wrote:
gotta agree with you there
Colin
Since CP is an MS-fan site of sorts CP mus keep up with new MS trends. Surely you cannot expect CP to go back to 16 bit windows and DOS.
Nish
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But there is the concern that if CP gets too net'ish, then all the C programmers who write for Windows will go somewhere else.
I am letting my MSDN Mag expire. I am not going to renew WDJ. Will pickup C/C++ Users Journal.
Tim Smith
I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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Tim Smith wrote:
But there is the concern that if CP gets too net'ish, then all the C programmers who write for Windows will go somewhere else.
That's a sad thought. I don't want CP losing good C++ guys 
Nish
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Colin Davies wrote:
have a bit of a feeling that it is becoming an anti C++ site now, [ that's just my feeling ]
Tim Smith feels so too, though not as harsh as that.
Nish
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I have yet to feel that CP is moving away from C/C++. If anything CP has just added a new dimension. Our family got bigger and we will have to adjust.
But I do get the feeling that MS is moving away from C/C++. But I don't agree with others who think they are abandoning it.
Tim Smith
I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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I don't understand why programmers are feeling that way. I think C/C++ programmers are far better equipped to learn any new technologies and languages, than a programmer of any other language. A C++ programmer can learn VB very easily and can appreciate the power of VB much more than a VB programmer himself. Frankly speaking learning VB made my understanding of COM/C++ very strong. I did not loose anything but I did gain a lot because now given a problem I can select the appropriate tool and complete the job easily. There are so many problems where if I would have just sticked with C++ the problem would have took at least twice or thrice the time it took using VB and reverse was also true. Most C++ programmers have a very low opinion of VB but when they learn it they seem to appreciate it. The samething applies for C#, .NET.
As C++ programmers we are in a better situation to understand what it takes to develop good .NET applications than anyone else. There are lots of good stuff in .NET learning which only adds to our knowledge. What is there to loose in learning C#, VB.NET? In fact I love that I got to do so many things which would have been difficult for me to do plainly in C++. I think a programmer (esp. C++ programmers) should select what is best for a job rather than specialize himself completely in one field and know nothing about other fields. I think strong points of a programmer are logical thinking, his ideas and understanding of concepts rather than his grasping of syntax of a particular language.
I find that a strong C++ programmer can learn VB/C# very easily. But a primarily VB programmer can't do the same. I simply don't understand why some very good C++ programmers have become so fanatic that they are not even trying to give a shot at learning .NET or consider it as a threat. In my experience more you learn .NET more you appreciate it. There are lot of valuable points in it and there is nothing to loose. Learning .NET makes you a better C++ programmer as you also learn to apply some concepts of .NET to your non .NET C++ apps. Same thing applies to learning java or perl for that matter. So where is the problem?
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Nice post Rama.
But I wish you had split the long post into at least 3 paragraphs
Nish
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A serious question: what concepts of .NET have you taken and applied to your non .NET C++ apps? From what I can see, C# is simply a subset of C++, so I find it hard to see what new things I can derive from that language. BTW, this is not slamming C#, as I believe it was _supposed_ to be less complex than C++.
Also, I just have to say, VB has never improved my capabilities in C++ either. It hides detail, which is valuable if you don't need a lot of customization or fine control. But I have never come up with any new techniques from that language. In contrast, C++ always improves my understanding of other languages because I always know what's going on "under the hood".
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Michael Dunn wrote:
imagine Chris did it before leaving Canada (he sent the newsletter out early too).
Oh! Well that explains it then.
Next time he leaves from canada I'll be prepared.
I wonder where I can get a cheap alarm clock from!
Nish
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Here's a free JavaScript alarm clock!
/ravi
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Thanks Ravi
Nish
p.s. When I said cheap I still didn't expect free
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"Inheritence" -> "Inheritance"
/ravi
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Thats what happens when you try to put up polls too early. he should have waited till Monday morning 9 AM Indian time 
Nish
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Maybe he's still recovering from St. Pat's festivities!
/ravi
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