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Re: Self taught, all the way Ray Cassick12-Jul-05 19:36 Ray Cassick 12-Jul-05 19:36  I failed 2 years for the same reason. Not enough time to do homework when I was building and programming computers Teachers never did understand me. That and the age old fallacy that you can't be good in computers unless you are good in math. George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things." Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the a**hole constant will be an integral part of that theory. My Blog[^] Re: Self taught, all the way WillemM13-Jul-05 2:04 WillemM 13-Jul-05 2:04  I am absolutely not good at math. But still I do a study Computer Science. Two more years to go and I will have my bachelor degree WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? Re: Self taught, all the way SimonS13-Jul-05 7:14 SimonS 13-Jul-05 7:14  Ray Cassick wrote: you can't be good in computers unless you are good in math I was also brought up to believe that. Was even not allowed to attend comp. sci. at school because my math wasn't great (OK, just not great). Reality is that 80% of ppl that started with comp. sci. at school ended up dropping it. I'll be sure to drop passed the local McD when I next go home to see how they are doing (not at all bitter) . I have some done a fair amount of math in some projects, but it's not the bulk of the industry I work in at all. Cheers, Simon sig :: "Don't try to be like Jackie. There is only one Jackie.... Study computers instead.", Jackie Chan on career choices. article :: animation mechanics in SVG blog:: brokenkeyboards "Most of us are programmers, but a few use VB", Christian Graus Re: Self taught, all the way Nemanja Trifunovic13-Jul-05 9:04 Nemanja Trifunovic 13-Jul-05 9:04  Ray Cassick wrote: that you can't be good in computers unless you are good in math. Depends. Every programmer must be good at least in some math: Boolean algebra, basics of set theory, etc. Then there may be a need for more depending on specifics of programmer's job. Ie, in the beginning of my career I used numerical analysis, later computational geometry, and these days some statistics and probability (admitedly, not much ) Math is a tool, like everything else, and having another tool in your pocket can never hurt. My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. Re: Self taught, all the way Tom Clement13-Jul-05 14:33 Tom Clement 13-Jul-05 14:33  I learned how to program in a single university extension course. Before that, I was a litigation attorney. All that schooling and almost none of it had any relevance to my current life. Tom Clement Serena Software, Inc. www.serena.com articles[^] Re: Self taught, all the way Antti Keskinen13-Jul-05 19:44 Antti Keskinen 13-Jul-05 19:44  Went through high school and professional high, and now doing my B.Sc in Software Engineering.. So far, I've pretty much self-taught myself everything I've ever needed. The teachers and the classes aren't worth much, since due to time constraints, they can't teach anything specific or in-detail, thus I have to learn it all myself.. -Antti Keskinen ---------------------------------------------- "If we wrote a report stating we saw a jet fighter with a howitzer, who's going to believe us ?" -- R.A.F. pilot quote on seeing a Me 262 armed with a 50mm Mauser cannon. Re: Self taught, all the way Michael A. Barnhart14-Jul-05 9:43 Michael A. Barnhart 14-Jul-05 9:43  Christian Graus wrote: Self taught, all the way I dropped out of high school I assume after you learned how to read. And yes I could read before High School also. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that I can think of. Re: Self taught, all the way Gammill15-Jul-05 20:00 Gammill 15-Jul-05 20:00  I had 5 "careers" prior to discovering computers. Then numerous years in the field prior to discovering "programming". All self taught, on the job, when I was past 30. No home computers for me when I was growing up But in code I found a home. Still, I often wondered if my friends that had their computer science degrees had more "depth". The best programmers I have met were engineers turned programmer. And the best sys admin was a Astro Physicist. I have a question to suggest to the poll: how many editors have you used? How many languages have your learned (I include shell scripting)? Has anyone here ever uses a character editior on a Silent 700? Or even know what a character editor is? (War stories ) WedgeSoft highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Almighty Bob12-Jul-05 7:22 Almighty Bob 12-Jul-05 7:22  c64 here. not too relevant to todays technology. although it did endear a love for the "goto" statement. I remember the punch card / tape systems my father developed on, that filled an entire room. /bb|[^b]{2}/ Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Yuval Naveh12-Jul-05 7:59 Yuval Naveh 12-Jul-05 7:59  C64..XT... "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination." - Albert Einstein Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Navin12-Jul-05 9:07 Navin 12-Jul-05 9:07  If you had a 386, you were "the bomb". Most of our computers in high school were 286's or 8088's that had dual floppy drives and no hard disk. Fortunatley, Turbo Pascal fit on one floppy, which left you a second to store your programs. The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Chris Maunder12-Jul-05 15:56 Chris Maunder 12-Jul-05 15:56  And the Turbo Technojocks Toolkit fit on another. Memory lane... cheers, Chris Maunder Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? ed welch12-Jul-05 14:19 ed welch 12-Jul-05 14:19  Technology is not the only part of your job, even if you're a programmer. English and Maths also very important. I also did more advanced maths in university, but never needed it for my job - just the simple stuff from secondry school was enough. Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Chris Maunder12-Jul-05 15:55 Chris Maunder 12-Jul-05 15:55  BBCs! Ah - they were the days (Am I dating myself here? ) cheers, Chris Maunder Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? nutsnbolts12-Jul-05 17:03 nutsnbolts 12-Jul-05 17:03  The programming class I had in high school was in cobal, using punched cards. We had to send the stack to the community college to see if it would compile/run. Jim Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Jason De Arte12-Jul-05 17:48 Jason De Arte 12-Jul-05 17:48  We had an 'old school' server room and green TTY terminals EVERYWHERE There were even 2 braille paper terminals that were combination printers(indenters?) and keyboards. I used to stare in awe at those giant drive platers in the clear plastic canister. It was as close as I would ever get to the W.O.P.E.R. from WarGames[^] without all the blinking lights. The year after I graduated High School they "upgraded" to 286's. All the sexyness was gone [ Jason De Arte | Toy Maker | 1001010.com ] Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? David Stroupe12-Jul-05 18:14 David Stroupe 12-Jul-05 18:14  I can relate to the entire room computers for sure. The first computer I got to touch in high school was a Bendix G-15. I remember having to reseat some of the circuit boards plugged in all around this refrigerator sized thing. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendix_G-15 Of course using the G-15 was better than using the remote computer using the 110 baud (yes that number has no K anywhere near it) acoustic coupler. Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Robert Little12-Jul-05 19:08 Robert Little 12-Jul-05 19:08  Tandy at Elementary, an apple in middle school, and at home...... Heath/Zenith home kit computer running CPM.... And for fun... TI 99-4A. -- "The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Ray Cassick12-Jul-05 19:38 Ray Cassick 12-Jul-05 19:38  Vic20 C64 Comodore PET TRS80 ZX80 AppleII Apple Lisa (yes I actually used one for a few weeks) George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things." Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the a**hole constant will be an integral part of that theory. My Blog[^] Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Michael Flanakin13-Jul-05 1:49 Michael Flanakin 13-Jul-05 1:49  I did QBasic, Turbo Pascal, and C++ in high school. I graduated in '98, tho. Michael Flanakin Web Log Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Corneliu Tusnea13-Jul-05 18:29 Corneliu Tusnea 13-Jul-05 18:29  Z80 and XT. Working on the XT was outstanding, exciting, making your heart thump ... even if I could not understand why would you have files and folders (Z80 background) Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Antti Keskinen13-Jul-05 19:46 Antti Keskinen 13-Jul-05 19:46  I'm still rather young, so we had full-blown Pentium 2 Pro computers with all the flavors.. Too bad that very often we ended up playing Quake because the lessons weren't very interesting (due to us knowing so lot, and the teacher being a complete laugh in programming) -Antti Keskinen ---------------------------------------------- "If we wrote a report stating we saw a jet fighter with a howitzer, who's going to believe us ?" -- R.A.F. pilot quote on seeing a Me 262 armed with a 50mm Mauser cannon. Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Michael Dunn14-Jul-05 6:31 Michael Dunn 14-Jul-05 6:31  Since I went to LAUSD schools in the 80s. the highest-tech thing we had were typewriters with a "return" key instead of a manual lever. At home I got a handed down VIC-20 from my uncle, then later got a C=64 and got proficient in BASIC (fun fact: the BASIC interpreter was written by MS). --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ Strange things are afoot at the U+004B U+20DD Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Michael A. Barnhart14-Jul-05 9:47 Michael A. Barnhart 14-Jul-05 9:47  MadHatter ¢ wrote: what computers were around when you were in HS? My trusty abacus and slide rule worked fine! I was always rather slow on the abacus however. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that I can think of. Re: highschool? what computers were around when you were in HS? Luis Alonso Ramos14-Jul-05 22:44 Luis Alonso Ramos 14-Jul-05 22:44  I bought a Pentium II 266 MHz with about 64 MB of RAM when I was in high school, back in 97. I graduated from high school in 99. -- LuisR Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!

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