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Java wasn't even around when we started, VB was vastly unstable and a long way from being OO.
Shrugs..
Tim Stubbs
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Slow computer - our customers do not typically have bleeding edge equipment and most corporates are on a 3-4 year cycle...
ATI card - check. Uses .NET - nope I elected to download the non-.NET version (you do know that you don't need to run the fat command centre, right?) thanks! 32.6 mb of download versus 24.6...
Microsoft provide the runtimes so that you _can_ distribute them - and what's the problem in doing so? A CD contains 700mb of data, a DVD gigs - unless you're providing software for download it's actually quite nice to have your installer put the damn thing on there for them. What's the cost to you?
Ah, so you're argument was based on distributing another 3rd party set, seperate from MFC.. er.. ok I guess you're alluding to that fact you can do more in .NET 'out the box' but i'd sure hope so, given the size of the damn thing! Again, this has no bearing on my point - that .NET and MFC suit quite different needs. If i was to write 'larger' business orientated apps - say, a web based banking system to run globally on a server farm - would i choose MFC? Er, no
You're continuing to flail around the point, rather than seeing it - I actually, for the most part, agree with you. .NET is undoubtably the future for development under windows, but it *isn't* the be all and end all for all apps *right now* - and - guess what - neither's MFC. I've given solid examples of apps where .NET doesn't work well, as well as a whole platform (window mobile) where it sucks ass big time.
Relax - my only act of heresy was to declare .NET not perfect, I shall say my hail mary's later this evening..
Tim Stubbs
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AND..we need to wait to see which way the tail (MS) is going to wag the dog (us) next. Personally, after reading Dr. Grimes message I think we need to see what MS is doing with .net before wholesale rewriting anything or even retooling.
One of the apps at work was developed with .net (mostly vb.net I believe) and it takes nearly 20 seconds to load. I'm running a 1ghz machine with a gig of ram. Not totaly state of the art but no slouch and sorry but the performance does not compare to MFC or other C++ application.
Don't get me wrong...I really like .net for web apps and the desktop apps I use at a home based business where I don't have to give them to anyone and it takes a short time to get it up and running. Just can't make the customer download the runtime. Home machine is state of the art but I still see the lag in managed applications vs. C++ applications. And I just can't bring myself to forcing a user use a .net app on the client yet.
For me.... .net on the client is just not ready for prime time!
ed
~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions.
Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character.
Watch your character; it becomes your destiny."
-Frank Outlaw.
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Bob Stanneveld wrote:
I'm just a student
You state you can't move on, being a student I'd say change now, you're learning an a soon to be obsolete framework.
My Blog ^
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Holland isn't the innovative country anymore it once was. The government also isn't making things much easier and the universities and colleges here just don't seem to bother that the educational quality is very poor..
They teach us things like: "This is Java, the syntax is almost the same as C and you can use classes... What, libraries you ask? That's beyond the scope of this class" And yes, they still teach us C and no C++.
So moving on on my own is pretty hard to do when I have to spend my time learning 'obsolete' technologies...
norm.net wrote:
a soon to be obsolete framework
MFC won't be obsolete soon, because there is far to much legacy code out there that needs to be maintained... But since I don't wan't to be someone who maintaines software, I guess you are right.
I also got the blogging virus..[^]
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Bob Stanneveld wrote:
because there is far to much legacy code out there that needs to be maintained
True, and in my golden years, I'll be looking for contracts supporting this codebase!
Oh the whole, if you can get yourself a copy of Visual C# Express and VS 2005, then do so, you'll have a wide range of oppertunites waiting for you in the future.
Good luck with your quest.
My Blog ^
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Thanks!
I've already downloaded all the free express beta's since they're uh,.. free and the might come in handy some time soon. Besides that, the computers these days have way too much storage capacity for the 'normal' home user, so I have to use it..
I also got the blogging virus..[^]
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CMyForm* f = new CMyForm();
f->Show();
in VC++ unmanaged code.
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