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Cp-Coder wrote: Video shows
Yet the page is entire devoid of video.
If that's not clickbait, I don't know what is. Unless it's my ad-blocker, and the page does NOT, in fact, have said video, then it's pointless to even bring up the fact that there's a video of the incident, right in the headline. Once again, dishonest reporting.
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The video must have been removed after I posted the item. The video was there!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Every evening, when I've finished work for the day, I turn off my computer, and my NAS.
Saving on the electric bill is not an issue. I wonder though, does it prolong the life of my equipment, or shorten it? I have SSD's in the machine and the NAS, so the only motors running are the fans.
I worry that by turning them off, as they cool down, and turning them on the next morning, I am flexing the components, due to expansion and contraction. the effect of this being like bending a thin piece of metal over and over until it breaks.
What do you do with you equipment?
moderatly worried and curious in NOLA
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I leave my computer and my NAS on
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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I close all my applications and completely shut off my computer.
I'm not sure electricity is such an issue, although any saving I can get is a bonus (even if it's small, if millions of people do this, it's going to make a difference!), but what made me start doing it is to just shut off from work.
Just hearing the buzz of my laptop go silent and seeing the leds turn off makes me instantly more relaxed.
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Good question, but I think you've just let the cat loose amongst the pigeons on this one because it's like the tab vs spaces debate.
Me personally ( my personal PC is the same as my work PC & bought about the same time about 2 years ago), I reboot my work PC once a week and shutdown my home PC each night. Both are still running, and touch wood, will continue to do so without an issue.
My home NAS has been running since 2012* and only get shuts down when there's a power outage.
Only way to answer your question if someone has two NAS devices in which the usage is the same, but one gets shutdown and the other doesn't. Anyone with time & money to try this? 
*just realised I should probably look at upgrading it before it dies
// TODO: Insert something here Top ten reasons why I'm lazy
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yacCarsten wrote: My home NAS has been running since 2012* and only get shuts down when there's a power outage.
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*just realised I should probably look at upgrading it before it dies
IMO there's a correlation between these two. If you leave it on 24/7, it'll probably still be working by the time you're looking at replacing it. If it gets powered on/off daily * 365 * 10 years...that's 7,300 power cycles. If someone insists that has no impact whatsoever, I'll agree to disagree. By what measure, I have no data to back it up with. It's just a gut instinct thing.
Most of my hardware is getting rather old and tends to run 24/7. There was a point in my life where I powered things down religiously, but these days I've never had hardware that lasted this long until I stopped doing that. Coincidence? Could be. But I've drawn my own conclusions.
My NAS was purchased in 2009, I believe, and only power outages have brought it down, when my UPS battery died.
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I leave mine on. My information is dated, but last I checked the consensus was it was sort of a toss up (assuming adequate cooling) which is better.
The thing about turning sensitive electronic equipment off and on is when you turn it on there is inevitably a bit of a power surge, and this is hard on the equipment, in and of itself, basically making this as "harmful" as leaving a system on.
The reason I lean toward leaving it on is lack of moving parts. As far as I know, electricity and heat operating within specs will not damage the etched pathways in the silicon over time, as long as the cooling is good. Basically, it's all solid state, so current within spec should be fine. Surges might be a problem though.
Edit: The big issue if anything is fans, but I'll replace mine as needed.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I leave it on.
Numbers from my UPS load monitoring:
- bare minimum (router, WiFi, DNS/DHCP server, phone, etc) = 35W
- night standby (desktop in standby, NAS on) = 120W
- work mode (desktop on, monitors on) = 200W
I have hard drives in my NAS and some of them are 6 1/2 years old. Figured stressing them with start/stop wouldn't bring any good.
Mircea
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Everything sleeps. All Windows updates are done "on request"; no wake ups from anything.
I find that everything from light bulbs to electronic equipment always seem to last work and when it was last "on"; nothing ever seems to fail while you're using it. (Except one monitor; smoking then die while using it).
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I set my displays to go into sleep mode after about 10 minutes, the PCs to go to sleep after a couple of hours, and the NAS drives turn on as needed. Everything is connected to surge protectors, which have a delay before they turn on (this helps avoid cases where the power cuts out, comes back on for a couple of seconds, then goes off again). I don't have UPSes.
I just lost my first NAS HDD (after years of use and transfer between various NAS enclosures). I have never lost a PC or display following this regime. OTOH, I haven't had much luck with UPSes; they (or their batteries) seem to die very quickly.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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These days, being semi-retired I'm not using the computer all day, every day. I just use a single laptop for work + "home" use. (And no, I don't have a problem with limited screen space; alt-tab isn't hard and I just find it easier that all windows are directly in front of me!). When not in use I just close the screen. Windows goes to sleep mode, and hibernates after a couple of hours (the laptop is almost permanently plugged in to mains). I apply Windows updates on my terms, and that just involves a reboot, not a power-down. Can't remember the last time the mainboard was fully powered off; possibly years ago. Main system drive is SSD with spinning iron for apps + data, but everything important backed up to various clouds.
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I never turn my computers off (unless vacation, etc.). They go into sleep mode after 20 mins of non use to conserve on electricity consumption, but never off.
It is my understanding that turning equipment on/off all the time is not good in the long run due to electricity surges, and other issues. I know for a fact this use to be an issue in the "old" days, but not sure with modern equipment - never really bothered to investigate.
I will say, that it has not caused me any issues at all doing it this way, all these years.
modified 9-Jan-22 3:33am.
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I just put things in sleep mode, but the reason is convenience. Yes, turning electric things on and off causes expansion and contraction, but I doubt it makes a discernible difference. You will probably replace your equipment due to obsolescence before it fails for any reason.
Physics is hardly my strong point, but I believe the effects of bending on metal are not cumulative over time. You can break a paper clip in two in less than a minute by bending it back and forth rapidly, but I wonder if it's the "rapidly" part that makes a difference. After the paperclip breaks, or even before, you'll notice it gets hot. But what if you bend the paperclip just once an hour? Will it break after the same number of bends (more or less)?
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It takes the machine 5 minutes to boot, or 5 seconds to wake up if suspended.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I've got two machines in my home/office that pretty much run 24/7. One is a 13 y/o server (the hardware excluding drives...drives and OS were upgraded @ 5 years ago) and the other is my main development system which is around 4 y/o now. The monitors on both go to standby after 40 minutes. Both machines are really quiet.
I know I shouldn't, but oftentimes, I'll leave a debugging session active overnight...usually as a result of an interruption. Don't you just hate it when you are stepping through code and have that 'aha momemt'...and the phone rings...the next thing you know 2 hours have passed and you can finally get back to that thing you found before you got sidetracked...if you can remember what it was that was. 
There is a danger in leaving stuff open overnight...automatic restarts. I have to admit though, that problem hasn't plagued me in a long time now...it will probably get me this week now!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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I shut down everything (except NAS).
we're in 20212 and powering up or down computers has no impact on longevity.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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That Youtuber never even mentioned the best reason to continue building laboratories in space. There are amazing exotic materials being discovered that can only be produced in microgravity.
Microgravity Materials Research[^]
Exotic Optical Fibers and Glasses[^]
ZBLAN[^] is an example of a material that could potentially revolutionize optical data transmission. Photonic processors will probably need to be manufactured in microgravity.
My understanding is that materials with a perfect crystal structure have unusual properties not found in terrestrial atomic lattices. Materials produced naturally here on Earth almost alway have atomic defects[^].
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Well, to be fair...
1] you can always argue that someone forget that one particular thing you were thinking of... it was not an exhaustive argument... it was, in fact, a higher level argument btw.
2] he did mention that... 2 years ago... 
modified 8-Jan-22 4:20am.
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Super Lloyd wrote: you can always argue
My intentions were to spark a discussion about microgravity materials science. Not sure why you focused on the only sentence that gave you a road to conflict.
Would you like to discuss any of the four amazing science oriented links instead? I find that material science is the most important aspect of space exploration.
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Interesting stuff there David thanks for posting
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Even when this video was made, the US military budget (DoD, Dept of Energy, State, including foreign aid) was smaller than the US welfare programs. People go after the military budget because it's easy to do so when they really should be going after the pork that's embedded in social welfare programs.
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Politics / religion. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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