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I have a pc over for "repair" after apparently an update botched the windows installation.
Doing this for daily bread has given me plenty of opportunity to question, "Do they know?", "Why do they treat us like they do now?" " what did we do?" "Gosh M.S. you used to be cool. /
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Right? I mean, I did work for them, so maybe this is punishment? 
Real programmers use butterflies
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No good deed goes unpunished.
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If I were in charge, the punishment for working for Microsoft would be to keep on working for them, seeing all your best ideas ignored in favour of adding the latest "new shiny" to the product.
And that's just in this world. In the next world, you would be required to use nothing but buggy Microsoft products with terrible UIs for all eternity.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Change your settings to not automatically install updates.
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It wasn't my computer that was the problem. It was a client's machine on the other end. He didn't pay attention, and just allowed for updates. Shut down the session to open a new project (don't know why he closed VS, but what ya gonna do?) anyway, he couldn't restart it anymore without it forcing the stupid update, so it meant we were done for the day.
We work over 3000 miles apart. He's not a dev, but because of what we're doing he has to have a debugger on his machine. VS is what he knows how to use, so it's what I recommended he buy a subscription to for the course of this project.
Well, mostly it works, but when an unintentional update kills the rest of my business day it makes me mad at the people who shipped the update, pretty much regardless.
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So it is Microsoft's fault that a user did not configure their personal system the way that would work for you?
It seems you are just angry at the situation and targeted Microsoft. No one seems to have been at fault here for you losing dev time with your client.
(Or everyone [you, the client, Microsoft] is at fault if that is how one chooses to view things)
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No that's not it.
I felt I was clear in the OP. My gripe with the setup is you cannot cancel it, nor open VS until it is complete.
If you could cancel setup, like any reasonable application, this wouldn't be an issue.
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I used to do that, and it worked for a while. Eventually the b*****ers managed to force an update through, which screwed up my start menu, my Office toolbars, and effectively bricked my scanner and printer. I ranted about it on here and effectively got flamed for not updating regularly! 
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A Visual Studio update that messed those things up? Seems rather strange.
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ha, no, a Win10 update. I never update VS but I do run multiple stable versions.
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To be fair to Microsoft: Your money definitely matters to them... they want them!
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They forgot they have to be nice to me if they want my money. If they waste my time, they start making me less likely to buy their very expensive product. Especially in my case, as I've already moved over to VS Code for probably 75% of my development.
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The last MS development tool that I paid for was Visual Studio 6. As I am a single developer making well under USD 5,000,000 per annum from my work, I just use their Community Editions.
I do pay for Windows (whenever I buy a new computer) and for Office (Office 365, for the entire family), so MS still gets something from me. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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honey the codewitch wrote: My money doesn't matter to them
Ow, it does. It's actually the only thing that does.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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And you can't blame the lowly Microsoft worker either. I survived when the C-levels pushed through HR changes from what used to be a total of 20 levels promotion of workers to 100+ levels of career level and promotion. They told us that we would be promoted twice as much as before, but in fact that never happened. It was like The C-levels who decided that had just time-dilated our existence so that we could never ever reach their level again. Check. we are now protected they thought. SO these C-level employees then ran the ship for many years in the shadows for a while, before becoming wholly beholden to the stock price used for their extremely high pay (100's of thousands of stock shares per year) and that of the countless money funds out there who want it to increase all the time. So Microsoft is not really a company anymore, but a zombified company whose only motivation is extracting more money(brains) from you at any cost in order to increase the stock price. So I agree with you. They just want your money   
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Stephen Spady wrote: They just want your money
It's a company, not charity 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Yeah there definitely is a fair bit of scattershot going on with VS. I wish there were a "Send me only major point upgrades and serious security updates". The "corrected missing accent in French translation of XAML toothbrush adapter copyright notice" updates that take you out for 15 mins seem like someone forgot we're actually using this tool of theirs all day, every day
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I've got a W10 Kelyx only for Films/Series/Music (like a SmartTV, 'cause it has some GBs of space), but this "awesome" machine allways tries to download securities/policies/fixes upgrades. I putted down upgrades in Machine - Config, but sometimes it displays the upgrade screen. They're funny, really funny...
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Sort of like the vaccination debate. "Don't inject me with your fixes!"
But, yes, they'll crash your (my) game session by pushing an update to the game even while you're playing.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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My vaccine didn't kill my work for the rest of the day. It was super convenient and less costly for me than Visual Studio has been lately.
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Poor MS, perhaps it is a lonely beast, and these crude gestures are the only ways it knows to tell us it needs love
i think of my last divine-female-mistress (cat) and her offerings of dead birds, and mice.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Good luck. I mean it.
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I had a project that started to not open well in VS2019 earlier this year. Still don't know the real reason why. Other projects were just fine and it compiled in VS2017.
"Luckily" my version of Windows 10 had reached end of support but wouldn't successfully update. Windows update had pushed it off for a very long time because of a sound driver problem.
I ended up have to wipe the drive and install Windows 10 21H1 and all my other apps. Now the project works just fine again in VS2019. The laptop in general has been running very well and I may be able to get it to last until Windows 10 goes out of support. 5 years down 4 to go.
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