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Welcome to the club 
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You're not using CLANG and Visual Studio, that's your problem.
Since CLANG support arrived, I honestly don't know anyone who still used MS C++.
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I don't need visual studio for C++ anymore. VS code is better, frankly, because of its support for so many different file formats by way of extensions, which I often need while doing real world projects in C++.
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I sense a strong reluctance to use VS Code and Visual Studio side-by-side. 
Honestly, I do back-end in Visual Studio, just to get IntelliSense, as that alone saves me about an hour each day.
Front-end in VS Code for the extensions.
If I need to find something in the code, I forgo both and use the online repo-search in Azure-DevOps.
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That's because I don't have a reason for it.
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If POSIX was so big deal, we didn't have to have all those compilation problems! EVERY single package under Linux even between linuxes cannot be compiled w/o issues. And that I speak about SAME COMPUTER(!) - same CPU/arch etc. So don't say "POSIX", it means nothing.
Windows is a separate platform, it never tried to be compatible with anything. Yes, Windows also have sockets! Moreover - we have IIS under Windows Server! And hell... nobody complained before "sockets under Windows is something unusable/inconvenient/clumsy".
Just drop your ridiculous C++ and use C#, Nemerle, D, lot of 'em! Even Ruby is way better than C++.
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I don't have your compilation problems with POSIX. Maybe the problem is your code?
As far as dropping C++ for C#, yeah no. I use both.
C# will not run well on an ESP32. Will not run on an ATmega2560, nor will it run on most of my ARM devices.
Your holy rolling won't serve you well as a developer. Just sayin'
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modified 19-May-21 9:11am.
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The only big thing I have against GNU\Linux is that it names it's background drivers daemons. This drive me nuts. I wish they would stop that and name them services.
I agree, I'm a former .NET Developer and I've been booting into Debian 10 lately because a client of mine wants me to work with Node.js. Debian 10 boots faster and seems to have better tools for Node.js development. Also, my hard drive isn't getting constantly hit up like it seems to have been in Windows 10 Version 2004. I also don't get hit with stupid updates. Debian tends to update quickly when it does and it often shuts down fast; however, I need the Global Protect client from Palo Alto for work and the GP client stinks in GNU\Linux. It barely works...
I still believe that C# and .NET Core are the most efficient ways to create Line of Business applications for businesses that are maybe a 1/10 of the size or Walmart or smaller, but yeah, I think you are right about bloat in MS Windows and a maybe flaky Microsoft C++ compiler implementation. I have almost no non-trivial experience with it but DirectX12 is an absolute nightmare BTW. I'm thinking I should have tried to learn Unity, Vulkan or OpenGL. From my experience OpenGL is really reliable even if ASIO and DirectAudio might be better for latency than ALSA. Don't get me wrong, JACK has unlimited potential, but I've had issues with low-latency audio programs in GNU\Linux distros. In general, high performance DAWs and audio programs like Cubase and Emulator X seem to work better in MS Windows. Strangely, however, an older Direct X game Falcon 4 runs faster in Steam Proton (Wine Layer on GNU\Linux) than its does on Windows 10. There's something wrong with that... Also, Steam Overload seems to perform better in Steam OS than it does in Windows 10 while Civilization V seems to perform worse in Steam OS than Win 10 and Civilization 6 seems to do about the same in Win 10 as it does in Debian on Steam with the nVidia proprietary drivers for GeForce GTX 710.
Another thing that really bits my hide about MS Windows is that I recently had two hard drives crash on me and I lost some family pictures. I have not yet put them in the freezer in a desperate effort to try to get the data back or send them off to data recovery services. The *other* parent of my children should have a back up, but she is not cooperating... GNU\Linux game me some warning that the drives were about to fail by reporting bad sectors. No where did I see Windows 10 2004 report any of that to me other than an occasional chkdsk error. I didn't even get a SMART warning from the OS. Had I been using Debian back then, I might have noticed the problem earlier. I even downloaded the Segate tools and they did let me know about bad SMART status of one of the drives but they didn't report the bad sectors. This is absurd. GNU\Linux reported the bad sectors. Anyway, *one* of the drives I expected to fail and I had most of the data off. The other drive I did *not* expect to fail and while GNU\Linux game me some warning from Gnome Disk, Windows 10 seriously let me down...
Windows 10 just seems to have issue and I'm thinking it's best suited for things like Cubase that don't run correctly on GNU\Linux. It's clearly obvious that high performance gaming can be done on GNU\Linux maybe even better than Windows 10. The audio thing could be fixes also but the market hasn't concentrated on it.
They just need to rename the GNU\Linux background drivers from daemons to services and I will be cool 
Gotta get to my day job.
Sorry for the partially irrelevant rant and imminent grammar errors. I don't have time to fix them right now.
Best,
Shawn
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DAWs, Falcon 4, ASIO, etc - you clicked all my buttons. I like you.
I use FL Studio, for the record. It's a weird DAW, but then I'm a weird human.
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No flames. Venting can be very helpful. I do have a question though. Do you have an alternate platform you wish you were developing on??
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I'm starting to consider a *gasp* Apple machine.
I've had some serious stability problems - like my machine failing to boot - with Linux across multiple years and machines to the point where I won't run it as a primary OS anymore.
Apple's OS is POSIX based, essentially a *nix core, with closed loop development and matching hardware that should in theory increase its stability.
And if not Apple, then I'm not sure. Windows 7 with Linux in a VM? (i've never had issues with Linux running in a VM)
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I started as a Mac programmer and loved the proprietary and super stable software. Apple worked hard on the user interface and it is a shame that it was never adopted by Apple and others. Although the beast has changed, and I have given in to the 'dark side' of Windows development, there is still a soft spot in my heart for the Mac.
If you go that way, keep the information valve open on how it works for you.
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I started as a Linux developer and after 10 years I switched to Windows 8.1 for quality reasons.
With Windows 10 natively supporting the Ubuntu shell, I'm pretty much set for life, as I can now build hybrid Windows/Debian toolchains, and prototype every combination I can think of.
One time, I tried developing on a Mac Book Pro.
The lack of configuration setting infuriates me. 
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I've been hesitant to buy Apple. I was an unfortunate owner of the ill fated Apple ][gs which I learned to code on back in 1986.
They abandoned that $2000 (in 1986 money!) machine less than a year after they released it. Hardly anyone wrote software for it after that.
Basically I've been boycotting them since. I haven't bought a single apple product except one ipod nano thing that I only bought because someone i love dearly basically begged me for it.
So for me to reconsider going back to Apple is ... it's existential stuff. 
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The grass is always greener on the other side, isn't it?
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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I've finished really disliking Windows as a development platform.
Ya got nothin but agreement n sympathy from me.
For me, Qt held all the answers.
Nearly all my hobby things run on linuxes now. And it was easy.
For job coding, you'll still need all the junk of course.
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Honestly, I'm glad I've had no need for Qt. I don't want to learn another GUI system. 
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but is there another gui system on linux?
isn't it just gtk or qt? pretty sure qt > gtk
and while qt mayyy be < c#'s gui... it's def > win32 api 
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Visual C++ implements a fussier read of the standard language than does gcc or clang.
VC++ excepts a slightly different language for templates than does gcc. I can't say which is right. I've never had any trouble writing my own template stuff, but it may barf on gcc template code. VC++ does (or did?) require more frequent use of the typename keyword than gcc.
In VC++, constexpr expressions have to be assigned to constexpr variables to get compile-time evaluation. The standard contains ambiguity on this point. Clang is more likely to evaluate functions at compile time than VC++ is.
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Thank you for that. It explains a lot.
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Hey Griff it happened just like you said in your response in The Weird and The Wonderful[^] in 2019.
I had just responded to kmoorevs post about double click behaviour with users.
I had discovered in the logs that 3 users out of 250 would occasionally encounter errors.
Turned out that they were Olympian super fast double clickers.
I couldn't click as fast as them in order to replicate the issue until I practised and practised.
The other day I had another issue and found that it wasn't just 2 users out of 250, but most of them including me, but only at one site.
It was caused by switch bounce in the mouse. It was a new one as well.
Anyhow now it all works with a bouncy mouse as well as a good one now.
(It was really my fault though. My bad. It should of handled it.)
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I have a great gaming mouse but if I click "dropping" my finger on the button it will generate two clicks very very near to each other.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I am hoping that, that button is the fire button.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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grralph1 wrote: The other day I had another issue and found that it wasn't just 2 users out of 250, but most of them including me, but only at one site.
It was caused by switch bounce in the mouse. It was a new one as well.
It's hard to believe that most users have defective switches  but at least you've resolved it.
grralph1 wrote: (It was really my fault though. My bad. It should of handled it.)
It's hard to think of everything the first time!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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