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For me it's jeans and T-shirts every day, regardless of their policy. It has been since I started work in 1983. Formal attire is when the T-shirt isn't stained. It just goes well with the pony tail and Snuffy Smith beard.
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Like so many things in the world today, people like to keep it ambiguous to "keep options open". Most events I have been to state "business casual", and the majority are always dressed "business attire" (suits). Generally, those are the folks who "try harder" to make a good impression. Generally, the nearer one is to the end of his career, the less dressed up he gets; while the younger, aggressive types dress fancier. It truly depends on how much desire exists to impress others.
Most sources agree on many things, however. Jeans are not acceptable, nor are t-shirts. Pants should be neat and pressed, Khakis are acceptable. Dress shoes. The shirt should be button-down and pressed, but you can sometimes get by with a polo. Tie is optional; jacket is optional. A suit, while not "business casual", does not constitute "formal" either: formal is always tuxedo.
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Greg Lovekamp wrote: Generally, the nearer one is to the end of his career, the less dressed up he gets; while the younger, aggressive types dress fancier.
This works for me at 63. I wear jeans and a graphics t-shirt and nobody questions me. I work hard and help people every chance I get, so I think personality may also soften any reaction. Even among the young, only supervisors or higher dress for success on Fridays.
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Originally a tuxedo was the casual dress option for men. Makes me wonder what will constitute formal wear in the distant future.
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Technically, I suppose you are correct. I have always just thought of tuxedos as having tails or not; tails being formal with tailless being semi-formal. I suppose true formal involves specific attire for specific times of the day, but in general, in the USA, the average tuxedo (without tails) is as about as fancy as anyone gets other than perhaps a groom and his groomsmen.
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In a business context a suit is considered formal business attire. Tuxedos are not appropriate business attire, that's for formal social occasions, you'd look ridiculous running around the office in a tux.
In any case, tuxedos are archaic and need to die. Don't even get me started on white tie and, horror of horrors, opera slippers. It's like the wealthy are making fun of themselves.
The only bit of this outdated fashion worth keeping is the dress boot. And speaking of which, I wish that women would bring back oxford boots and saddle shoes and throw those stupid pumps away. For that matter, I don't see why they can't wear oxfords the same as men.
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Many business functions occur in the evening in the context of a social gathering (though those events are in no way optional). Those "parties" are frequently "formal", or more appropriately "black-tie".
You have some very strong opinions about the subject of attire. I think that is wonderful and perhaps personally agree on some points; however, be advised that the world will NOT bend to fit your whims, but a path to success usually consists of altering behavior to fit the established standards.
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You're right about that, and if I was angling for a management position I'd conform and accept my fate as a stuffed suit. Being a back-end programmer, though, I'm a step ahead just by doing laundry on a semi-regular basis.
But fashions change, none more slowly than formal men's fashion but it does change over time, and usually due to the old being rejected for the new. So we don't wear hats anymore and vests are endangered, though both were essentially required for much of the 20th Century. So, someone has to get opinionated and push boundaries once in a while or we'd still be wearing waistcoats with fobs dangling about.
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You were right, the others were overdressed. The ones who wear a suit to everything are probably hoping to join the dark side (middle management).
I just wear slacks, a dress shirt, and dress shoes to everything. Makes life easier. If I need to go formal, I can just throw on a tie and jacket (and take them off at the first opportunity).
So dress slacks and shirt for work, jeans and t-shirt for play. I pretty much wear the same outfit every day, it's one of the advantages of being a guy.
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business casual for me is Jeans that hopefully have been washed in the last three months. Button up shirt which is untucked. Decent shoes and a watch. Gotta have the watch so I can pretend to look at it sigh and leave.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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I am always too hot in Florida, so I wear shorts.
For business, I wear PLEATED Shorts.
When I got Married, I had the Tux pants CUT into Shorts... With the tails, I looked like I just had no pants on from behind... LOL.
But Business Casual. That's a tough one. Polo Shirt, shorts I would assume. Probably could go with Tennis Shoes as opposed to dock shoes...
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Maybe they were going commando.
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Easy answer. Remember that you are in an environment of competitive people who are trying to one-up each other. (Love the corporate world and the even more hypocritical neo-corporate world!)
The purpose of saying "business casual" is to weed out those who are foolish enough to fall for the bait and who forget that it's always about looking as-good-as-or-better than others.
"Business casual" is a code for "dress better than others, but not flashy". Practical applications: toned down suit jacket or blazer, no khaki, no Hawaiian shirt. No guayabera outside of Latin America and Philippines.
Think "going to visit someone in order to borrow a LOT of money".
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- You can never be "over-dressed"
- It was a "celebration" after all
- Free drinks is a good reason to dress up
- We sometimes have few chances to "dress up"; so, when we can, we do.
- And you're in Germany!
(I don't wear "runners" except for hiking ... and I hope the "kakhis" are at least not pleated in front...)
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Anyone had a play with it?
Any thoughts and, or feedback?
Just curious...
Not doing much web ATM though, just curious...
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No, but we know about it's existence, one of my colleagues reacted like this "Finally we can get rid of Javascript" 
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About time! 
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We will have 29 C, and already hot... but predicts are for 16 C tomorrow...
Just crazy...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Some like it hot
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This fine ointment[^] will help you keep your balance (refrigerate before applying to body parts to experience balancing effects).
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I was in Philadelphia with 32 F andsnow last week and back in Houston with 80F now.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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I'm looking for a straight answer regarding the development and deployment of a simple app using Xamarin (vs 2017) and targeting iPads specifically.
Do I really need a mac in order to actually build/deploy the app? If so, is it possible to run the mac in a VM for around $35 instead of shelling out $1400 for a new MacBook? (does it actually require mac hardware for the certificates?)
One other question: My current hand-me-down iPad unfortunately, is not compatible with the Xamarin Live Player. If I get a mac with XCode on the network and connected in VS, will that mean that I won't need the Xamarin Live Player? (saving the expense of a new iPad)
A little background: I was told yesterday that a new customer had decided on (and bought) iPads as their input device for a hybrid web-based application.  I was confused because iPads weren't on the original proposal...they were added later unbeknownst to me. At any rate, I now need a simple little app that basically opens a webview with an encoded querystring identifying the device. It sounds easy enough, but after two days, I'm getting nowhere, and they want to start training in about 3 weeks!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Yes, I'm almost certain you need a physical Mac (desktop, laptop or mini).
IIRC, with Xamarin you can test and debug using an emulator that runs entirely on Windows[^]. You still need to be connected to a Mac.
/ravi
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you don't need a macbook, just get a Mac Mini.
I'd rather be phishing!
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 good point! Just looked them up and it's much more affordable. Thanks! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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