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Windows 10s annoys in many ways but yesterday it really outdid itself. First a little background - I have an MSI laptop made for gaming with a 970M video chip in it and I can play my favorite game on it very nicely. I have it configured to go to sleep when I close the lid. The night before I had closed the lid and it went to sleep as usual. I watched all the lights go out before I left the room. The next morning I looked at it again and all lights were off so it was still asleep. That evening I arrived home from work and saw the lid closed but the power light was on and and the disc access light was blinking. My first thought was WTF??? I opened the lid and found it powered on and the surface surrounding the keyboard was too hot to touch. I was absolutely infuriated and scared the dogs with my opinions off the people in Redmond. The machine had awakened itself, performed an update, and then left itself on, all with the lid closed and while it was asleep. I find this to be unbelievable. I have had laptops for over twenty years and I have never had one do anything even remotely resembling this. This laptop can run very hot and it could be potentially dangerous for it to get so hot with the lid closed. I was fortunate that it didn't burn itself up. I consider this event to be a valuable lesson learned. I do NOT trust windows 10 and I will never allow this machine to sleep again. From now on it will be full power offs for this machine.
I won't get started on what I think of W10's user interface.
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You know, I had the same thing happen to me. I have a lot of crap connected to my laptop via USB ports, so I only sleep the unit when I have a lot of stuff going on. I've found that after a couple of sleep/awake/sleep cycles, Windows 10 (7 for that matter) gets a little 
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Both my laptops and desktops are set to use Hibernate. Too many issues over the decades to trust that sleep crap.
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I had similar problems after I 'upgraded' to windows 10.
I used to have Ubuntu and debian on Virtual box to play around with.
Now I have Ubuntu on dual boot. Do most of my home projects (android stuff and studying low level stuff) on Ubuntu.
Only use windows boot to play DoTA. 
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Windows computes the best time to perform security updates based on your usage pattern, so that your normal usage of the device isn't interrupted and the OS could as well be kept up to date.
If you don't like security updates (wanna cry?), or the notion of your computer doing things on its own, then just disable any wake timers that may be setup. Or just hibernate or shut down your computer like another user pointed out.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: Windows computes the best time to perform security updates based on your usage pattern
Windows 11 maybe, experience with older to the current version show otherwise.
Anyway nothing should wake a sleeping computer unless explicitly set to do so, this 'assumption' by ms just shows their continuing contempt.
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lopati: loaming wrote: Windows 11 maybe, experience with older to the current version show otherwise.
Not in my experience. My Windows 10 computer seems to download and install updates precisely when I'm not using it.
lopati: loaming wrote: Anyway nothing should wake a sleeping computer
If we use the term "sleeping" rather loosely, then yes. You do realize that the computer is technically not fully "asleep", right? otherwise it wouldn't be able to instantly wake up when you open the lid or touch the power button.
The computer's power LED ought to be blinking intermittently when it's sleeping (if you normally just close the lid), which should be an indication that it's not entirely out of action.
While I see your point, I do not quiet share the same opinion that the computer waking up to perform updates is such an exasperating ordeal.
When I want my computer to do absolutely nothing, I shut it down or hibernate it.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: While I see your point, I do not quiet share the same opinion that the computer waking up to perform updates is such an exasperating ordeal.
It wouldn't have been an ordeal at all if the lid had been open and the computer hadn't become extremely hot. I just now played my game for a while and it isn't as hot as it was when I opened the lid after it's rude awakening.
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I understand that an overheating laptop could become a potential fire hazard or such. This is not desirable at all, and I concur with you.
This thread though, is now heading from being about the annoyances of an operating system to cheap laptop hardware that overheats even when the lid is open (which may have nothing to do with the OS). 
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: If you don't like security updates (wanna cry?),
If MS used the updates as they should, people would not deactivate them
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Nelek wrote: If MS used the updates as they should, people would not deactivate them
And how exactly would that be?
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Trying to avoid possibles missunderstandings... I am not telling people deactivating them are doing good, I am telling that it doesn't surprise me that some people are deactivating them.
Sometimes, updates will annoy you
I've had Windows Update make me lose unsaved work. I've had it sitting there pending while waiting to rush out the door. I've had it install drivers that caused all manner of problems. I've had it change features so that they work differently and left me confused. I've had it consume bandwidth, eat up storage capacity and do any number of unexplainable things to my machines.
Those of us who've felt Windows Update-inflicted pain will all agree on this:
Microsoft needs to make Windows Update better.
But I do agree with the rest of that post. Deactivating them is a risk and has consequences.
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I'm sorry, but that link... It sounds like WAY TOO MUCH exaggeration to me. It also demonstrates a profound lack of understanding of how updates work, and possibly why it's needed.
I could go on to make a lengthy post, but here's an example:
Nelek wrote: I've had Windows Update make me lose unsaved work.
This is incredibly stupid because it's not as if updates sneak out from behind and will catch the user unaware. I'm pretty sure it sat there asking to be restarted like six dozen times, and the user clicked "after 4 hours" or something like that repeatedly. And when that 4 hours finally came, it restarted, only to be blamed.
Reminds me of the quote "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits".
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If you have had read the link... even the link itself says it.
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Sorry, guilty as charged.  
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If a laptop runs hot to the point where it could damage itself just because its lid is closed, that's a serious hardware design flaw. Don't blame software running on it for that.
I've left plenty of laptops running with their lids closed performing jobs that leave CPU usage at 100% for hours at a time, such as overnight video conversion--that should never be a problem.
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Rick York wrote: I do NOT trust windows 10 and I will never allow this machine to sleep again. From now on it will be full power offs for this machine
Microsoft had Windows 10 turn my laptop on from a full power off in order to install one of their updates. Don't ask me how they did that -- must have scheduled some power-on event into its hardware behind my back or something. I might have accepted that, except they left it on when they were done -- they didn't even have the decency to turn it back off.
Within a week I'd put 8.1 back on it, and it'll never see a later version of Windows -- my (non-replaceable) laptop battery is more valuable than their updates.
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I feel your pain. Some of the stuff they have done with this OS is absolutely ridiculous.
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I'm still not a huge fan of Windows 10, despite running it on most of my "everyday machines"...but going back to 8.1 seems like a step backwards.
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Well, I wasn't going to go all the way to windows 7 -- that is a step backwards. The OS is a tool, nothing more, and 8.1 gets the job done without the Windows 10 big-brother-you'll-install-my-updates-when-I-tell-you-to crap.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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I thought the claim was that MS had backported all the telemetry stuff to 7 and 8.x?
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Drat! You're right!
Oh well, at least I'm missing out on An Offer You Can't Refuse (web comic)[^] . For now...
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with a data recovery service for hopefully extracting data from a failed hard drive. The drive is a 1 TB spinner that is probably around 30% used and failed a few days ago. By failed, I mean all it will do is click for several seconds (I'm assuming it's the heads hitting the stops) after power-on...then nothing.
The drive was the main data drive in my home/office server and has stuff that I can probably live without, but would rather not if it can be retrieved affordably.
Thanks for any input!
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