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4-Apr-17 22:47

That's how my modest workbox greeted me when I woke it up from standby this morning. Out of memory? After standby? This computer may be nothing special, but it's not exactly a C64.

Turned out that the only (cr)app to be closed was the MSMH 2015. You don't know that? It's the Mickeysoft Memory Hog, also known as VisualStudio 2015.

The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here

This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.

"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."

If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

modified 5-Apr-17 5:07am.

A Jordison4-Apr-17 23:13

4-Apr-17 23:13

Hey, don't dis the C64!

CDP18024-Apr-17 23:18

4-Apr-17 23:18

At least you are not the Mickeysoft fanboi I was expecting to swoop in. Smile | :)

Still, I prefer an Atari 800XL. Come right over and we can try out both side by side.

Mark_Wallace5-Apr-17 0:08

Mark_Wallace

5-Apr-17 0:08

Woo-Hoo!

The Atari/C64 war is back on!

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

A Jordison5-Apr-17 0:22

5-Apr-17 0:22

Mark_Wallace wrote:
The Atari/C64 war is back on!

Not really. I quite liked the Ataris (I've got three of them somewhere) but the C64 was my first computer, and you never forget your first love. Wink | ;)

Now if it was C64 vs Spectrum, that would be a different matter...

CDP18025-Apr-17 0:53

5-Apr-17 0:53

Member 10112720 wrote:
was my first computer, and you never forget your first love.

Now that's true. Here is a picture of my first computer[^], three months ago.

A Jordison5-Apr-17 1:35

5-Apr-17 1:35

Brilliant. It shows the age of the hardware when your debugging tool is an oscilloscope!

CDP18025-Apr-17 2:08

5-Apr-17 2:08

Grandpa Elf needs a checkup once in while, especially when I rejuvinated him with yet another self built expansion. Just recently we found a really simple way to add a USB port plus a controller chip to read and write the FAT32 file format on a memory stick. Looks like the old computer will soon use a memory stick as SSD.

A Jordison5-Apr-17 2:14

5-Apr-17 2:14

Yes but is it still the same old computer when you're adding new parts to it? "I've had this mop for years. Its only had two new heads and one new handle". I suppose the case is original...

CDP18025-Apr-17 2:22

5-Apr-17 2:22

You can say that about any machine that has been repaired and restored often enough. Is the Mona Lisa in Paris still the original painting after those centuries, almost being destroyed and restauration?

In this case it is still the old computer because I replace parts only if they are defective and my new expansions sit on new boards which can easily be removed by simply pulling them out of their bus slots. Preferably when the power is off.

Jörgen Andersson5-Apr-17 4:29

Jörgen Andersson

5-Apr-17 4:29

Bah, proper computers use ferrites. Smile | :)

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

CDP18025-Apr-17 5:22

5-Apr-17 5:22

Those memories came out of fashion just before the Elf kit was made. They may have had a certain steampunk charme, but they also were bulky (in size), small (in capacity), expensive and slow. The short but important time when people built their first computers from scratch or a kit led straight to the first computers sold in stores. It would not have happened like this with that sort of memories.

CDP18025-Apr-17 0:32

5-Apr-17 0:32

Both computers were very similar in their general capabilities, but perhaps you can spot the most important difference:

This[^] is a game I used to play a lot. Look at the screenshots and compare them to the screenshots from the C64 version.[^]

And you know that the Commodore Amiga was the direct descendant of those 8 bit Atari computers, just as the Atari ST was designed by the guys who made the C64? These were hard times for loyal fanbois. Smile | :)

Mark_Wallace5-Apr-17 4:19

Mark_Wallace

5-Apr-17 4:19

I f@rt in the general direction of the C64!

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Daniel Pfeffer5-Apr-17 0:07

Daniel Pfeffer

5-Apr-17 0:07

My personal experience with VS2013 and VS2015 Community Editions is that they do the job. I do not claim that they are the best compilers or IDEs out there (they certainly are not the best compilers), but they have never crashed on me.

Your mileage obviously differs from mine.

If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.

--Winston Churchill

CDP18025-Apr-17 0:21

5-Apr-17 0:21

This has happened before, whenever I had to work on this particular module. I suspect it's the older version of the entity framework that somehow makes Visual Studio think it needs to cache so much. What that could be that slowly fills all memory while Visual Studio does nothing for a few hours? Who knows.

ZurdoDev5-Apr-17 1:17

5-Apr-17 1:17

CDP1802 wrote:
(cr)app

CDP1802 wrote:
Mickeysoft Memory Hog

I want to care about your problems but every time you post you show that this is completely personal and emotional for you, not rational and logical.

You do seem to have way more problems than many others so perhaps your feelings are just, who knows. Or perhaps you are doing something different than everyone else.

If you hate Microsoft so much I suggest changing vendors so that your stress level can be reduced.

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

CDP18025-Apr-17 2:01

5-Apr-17 2:01

And here we go!

How you celebrate your own heart attack is your affair, of course. It may be frustrating for a troll, but by now you are getting more emotional than I ever did.

So, Mr. Rational Logic, in which universe was it ever acceptable that a program grabs a few gigabytes of memory (plus some bonus for using also as much virtual memory as it could get) while it was supposed to be standing by?

Or was it ever acceptable that this program just barely left enough memory free to allow the OS to come out of standby?

Only in one thing I agree: I'm better off without them. Ever since I started to throw out Mickeysoft or at least not chasing after the next new version of something, my life has become a little less comfortable and also totally boring. Most of the smaller or nastier surprises have ended.

And that's the point where you totally misunderstand me. I'm not angry and I'm not on a crusade. I'm just happy for every bitter cup that passed by me and any dead thingie I did not waste a second of my time on.

Sorry if I confused you, but I learned the politically correct way to deal with junk and the company that runs in your door to get rid of it in Texas. To those not accustomed to this it may appear to be anger. Is there anybody here from texas who can tell him what happens when we get angry?

ZurdoDev5-Apr-17 2:14

5-Apr-17 2:14

CDP1802 wrote:
you are getting more emotional

Where did I show any emotion? Quite telling that your response is making this personal.

CDP1802 wrote:
And that's the point where you totally misunderstand me.

I hope so.

CDP1802 wrote:
but I learned the politically correct way to deal with junk and the company that runs in your door to get rid of it

Which is what I suggested you do. Glad to see that you will be moving away from Microsoft so we don't have to see these rants anymore. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

CDP18025-Apr-17 2:26

5-Apr-17 2:26

RyanDev wrote:
so we don't have to see these rants anymore.

Who is 'we'? Are you talking of yourself in the third person now or is that the pluralis majestatis, your lordship?

ZurdoDev5-Apr-17 2:37

5-Apr-17 2:37

CDP1802 wrote:
Who is 'we'?

I am guessing, and I could be wrong, that I am not the only one tired of the Microsoft whining.

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

CDP18025-Apr-17 4:08

5-Apr-17 4:08

RyanDev wrote:
whining

So that's how you see it? Do you really think that I made that up? What would you tell some kid in Q&A when it came with a memory hog that nearly crashes the system? And do you really think they just forgot to fix such errors? Really. No, that's by design. One more reason to lay some more money on their table for the next version, in hope of finally getting something you can work with. At least until they overdo it a little and their customers began to run away.

Only once in the last ten years they got it right. That was when they ate some humble pie after Vista. Unfortunately that did not last for long and they behaved worse than ever before. Playing along with that looks like masochism to me and I don't want to be so dependant on anything they make that I have no other choice anymore.

Flipping burgers sounds good as long as it does mean that Mickeysoft does not try to run my life by telling me what I may work on, how I may do it, what tools I have to use, what conventions I have to follow, letting them censor my work before they graciously let me sell it in their (cr)app store. And the best thing: They let you pay for this service. They even fleece you better than our government, because they are quicker to take their cut before you have to pay taxes on what they left you as income.

The only thing that I don't understand is why you guys don't simply visit the nice but stern ladies in the institute for naughty boys once in a while and get off a little cheaper.

ZurdoDev5-Apr-17 4:18