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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: Start a side project and join some meetup groups?
Exactly my thoughts.. That is the only way you can survive.
P.S. It is easier when you're the quiet type, just listen and filter the BS. 
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As a general rule you can learn something from just about everyone so I try to find what it is that I can learn from the person(s).
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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And that's a wise stance on it. But, what happens when you feel even that's been exhausted from those in your daily life? Not everyone chooses to continue growth. People peak, get intellectually comfortable, and then coast it out until they die. I'm sure you can always use a constant reminder of what other people's perspectives are like and learn from that continuously, but what about when you even feel like that's been exhausted?
Seems to be the only answer to is to move on. And I'm probably overthinking this.
I need to grow a beard.
Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah I know what you mean and it's frustrating but there's nothing you can do about it. A lot of people are content to not progress further and you just have to accept it. Fortunately I can chose who I hang with!
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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And I reckon that's the healthiest view on it. Thanks man.
Jeremy Falcon
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Do you think it is possible that they are growing in other ways? Maybe in areas that are not directly visible at work. To be charitable, I think you must recognize this as a likely possibility.
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Yes that is possible
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: But, what happens when you feel even that's been exhausted from those in your daily life?
I come to the lounge   
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Touché.
Jeremy Falcon
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Ah you youngin's, always think you know it all...
Jeremy Falcon wrote: In situations where you clearly know you're the smartest in the room,
No you are not, your boss is smarter than you.
A story I heard:
A person [who also assumed he was the smartest person in the room] walks up to (Trump? Buffet? - can't remeber which) and says to him, "I've got an MBA so I'm smarter than you, you should work for me and we will be even more successful."
X (who btw himself didn't have an MBA) replies, "I own a building with a whole floor full of people with MBA's, and they all work for me."
As long as you are an employee: sorry but you are not the smartest guy in the room, and it's that simple.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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I get what you're saying. Although, I would add to that the obvious disclaimer, that really only works in the realm of business.
But, I totally get what you're saying. Maybe hearing this is the medicine I need to hear.
Jeremy Falcon
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Goes beyond business, for instance even domestic cats are smarter then their human owners, all the cat needs to do is hang around and act friendly, the owner has to go out and earn money, buy the food, carry it home, open the tin, and put it on the plate.
Sure if the owner dies the cat is SOL, but in normal day-to-day life the cat's way ahead.
'smartest' is relative and fluid.
It's not about being best, it's about getting what you want. All the cat really wants is food with the least effort.
And finally yes: if you're stuck working with or/and for idiots you will be dragged down, the opposite will never happen. Only way to improve that situation is to leave - but first [to show you're smarter] have a plan on what's next. (Even the cat might leave if the neighbours food is better or less work - but it'll most likely take both if it's not too hard.)
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Good points all around.
Jeremy Falcon
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Interesting that you use that for an analogy as, depending upon how you look at it, you could be making a point contrary to your anecdote. If that cat is the employee (since it's a cat, it's a lazy one ) all its needs are being met by the boss. But you're correct, "smartest" is relative and fluid. I've found that the "lazier" employees know all the shortcuts to getting the job done faster as it gives them more free time. Now that can be counter-productive as faster isn't always better....
At the end of the day, most people's motivation was distilled by W. Edwards Demming. Everyone wants to do a good job. Now the definition of what a good job is varies from person to person, but can be influenced by a good leader and culture.
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By that logic, fungi are the smartest creatures on the planet. You're just a fungus feast waiting to ripen.
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Create a facebook account under a nom de plum and make fun of the idiots there. At least you have an outlet that doesn't include, "And then reload", in the instruction set.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
modified 24-Mar-17 14:22pm.
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Sounds pretty stupid to me.
(Please note that the above answer was required to be posted. Don't take it personally, unless you want to. It may make you feel better. It may not. Does it matter? Should it matter? Is this all too matter-of-fact?)
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Well that's all fine and dandy, but by virtue of quickly dismissing it and condemning it like that, it would put you in the same category that I mentioned myself may be in towards the bottom of it where I simply just may or may not look down on people. Which is to say, if it's really to be considered stupid, then so are you for acting the same way.
Deep thoughts.
Jeremy Falcon
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Silly person!
I am always right. You'll get over it.
And now - get ready to be Puck'd:
What fools these mortals be!
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Jeremy Falcon
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But seriously, my mind goes at a billion MPH, and I find that I arrive at a conclusion long before everyone else, and that despite my best effort, I can't hurry everyone else up to the same conclusion, so while they're plodding along making committee decisions, I've got the code about halfway done in my mind and I'm ready to start actually writing it.
That doesn't mean I think I'm smarter than everyone else, it's just that I instantly start mentally evaluating patterns and methods and coming up with a way forward, and then want to start implementing it. I usually have to wait for the requirements to catch up to me. Usually, I hit it right on the mark, but there are times when I have to make minor adjustments to account for the committee's lack of foresight and clarity.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I guess to best put it, it's more like awareness I'm speaking of. Not even so much speed, since I can be slow myself at times. Some people are just more aware than others.
Jeremy Falcon
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I get where you are coming from.
The challenge for you is the improve your ability to convey your solution to the group in a manner that does not put them down. So while you are clearly smarter at getting to the technical solution you are not as smart with regard to expressing your ideas clear enough that the others understand your solutions.
Also a campaign of trying to convince everyone that you are right is a path to eventual misery. Sometimes you have to take the committee solution even though it is less optimal than your own solution. It's a challenge, but if you can't clearly present your solutions as superior then you need to be part of the team and work towards the team solution.
Some of this may not have been directly on point, but I hope you find some use of it. - Good Luck.
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I don't need to improve anything. Everyone else has to improved their ability to see the truth of what I say.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Todo? I judge people for who they are and not their intelligence. Work or even problem solving might be low on their priority list and I accept it. I’d prefer to work with quality people than people who are not; over smart people or people who pretend to be smart. I’d also prefer people not send me a gigantic email signature. I got one the other day that was 11 lines long, with a picture, and a disclaimer at the bottom!
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