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I'll do it as favours to people I know that they may use in their small business/work
Payback comes some other way such as invited to fancy dinner / invited to a game / return help with home improvements etc ..., not money.
for charity/local help groups the occasional bit of tech work, automating/improving manual processes / excel lists, check equipment, passing over (and help setting up) still perfectly OK used items, i.e. smaller external hdd's I no longer use.
(No I don't drop 14" CRT monitors or Win XP boxes on them, I'm not that mean - only proper useful stuff.)
Payback not required.
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the any key okay
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Did that lately, actually. It was highly unpleasant, and I will never do it again.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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I would do, I still like coding.
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Of course, I would and I did. I got into IT because of a website I had developed nearly 20 years ago. And throughout my career I used personal projects to learn new technologies.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Who would engineer software if they didnt get paid for it
With 205 articles, some of which have taken 100's of hours of coding, not to mention the time spent in writing the articles themselves, what do you think?
Besides, anyone that contributes to open source is not getting paid.
I also occasionally do some pro bono work, whether that's writing a small app for the World Wildlife Fund, or making tweaks to a website I put together (which I did get paid for, but at about 10% of my normal rate because I wanted to do something meaningful) for bmbfa.org, or just helping my kid's school out with their IT issues.
Now granted, I obviously make enough money writing software such that I have the luxury of donating my time to myself and others for projects that I'm interested in.
And that phrase "donating my time to myself" is something to be very conscious of, as I treat my personal interests as a separate entity so that I'm making a conscious decision about what I find important.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: just helping my kid's school out with their IT issues.
"just"  This has been pretty much eating 30% of my free time in the five last years.
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I have made a script or two for my church where everything is volunteer. Aside from that - nope.
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Like others have said, I enjoy coding so yes, I would (and do) code for free (my own projects). Since I've been programming since I was 8 years old, it's hard to think of a time when I wouldn't do it.
That being said, I do other stuff too - hiking, surfing, ice hockey, snowboarding, cycling and anything else available at the time - it's nice to have a break away from the screen too..
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Yes, but mostly for my (and my friends) personal use.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Not for others, no. But certainly for myself. If you're not also doing it as a hobby, get out of the industry, we don't want you.
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What an arrogant prick you are.
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What makes your statement so pompous is that I work in what is probably the most complex software engineering environment, the Windows Kernel, and have done for 20 years. Given the products I have worked on there is a very high chance you have used my drivers.
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I certainly wouldn't expect you to do that for fun and relaxation, just as I don't do the kind of stuff I'm currently being paid to do (SSIS  ) for myself. At home, I do what I want to do in whatever way I want.
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I've done it for several year. I do it for the love of programming and because I can't find the same level of frustration doing anything else.
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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Mike Hankey wrote: I can't find the same level of frustration doing anything else.
So, I guess you never took up golf... 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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After watching my son play golf for many years I decided I couldn't afford it.
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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I would engineer software for myself for free, obviously. I would not work for others unless I got paid...unlesssssss, it was pro bono job for a good cause.
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Slacker007 wrote: I would engineer software for myself
But why? What would you need software for?
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Do you seriously not have any interests that you might apply your programming skills to?
Among the many things I've developed for myself over the years are:
A gas mileage tracking system.
A stereo photography image matcher-upper.
An MP3 player file randomizer/selector/updater.
A labyrinth designer.
A simple Code Management System.
Various games and puzzle solvers. I have even given away copies of my implementation of Cosmic Wimpout -- for free!
And, of course, various responses to CP's Weekly Coding Challenges.
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I do it on the side already for my own personal enjoyment already so in a way I guess I would continue.
However if my work was for another person to profit then I would expect a piece of that return.
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I've created a few simple websites for friends but that's it - gives me a chance to play with anything new.
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So its you me and V on one side and the rest of CP on the other.
I didnt realise THAT many of them were nerds. I thought there might be some engineers among them. 
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I am certainly not an engineer. You are the only engineer on CP. Most of the others have delusions of grandeur.
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I was in mech-aero engineering before switching to software, it pays more, is a better career, and you can travel with it, but I am no nerd. IN fact I still prefer mech-aero as a hobby, and always will. But the discipline of true engineering when carried over to software brings a big benefit IMO.
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