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raddevus wrote: Never would've guessed that.
That's how TI scientific calculators work. They have a 2nd button to get to the second functions. Not saying it's a good design for an app but if you are familiar with physical calculators then it's pretty easy to see that all those buttons had the up arrow on them.
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RyanDev wrote: They have a 2nd button to get to the second functions
That is a good explanation of that. I agree.
However, the UI designers definitely needed to think outside that box a bit, I think.
It's almost like an airplane engineer thinking, "well, I have to make this thing just like a car, because that is what people know. Now, where do I put the turn signals? Right here by the steering wheel of course." 
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TI is smart enough to use the available space to show what the shifted button is, instead of just drawing an arrow to indicate that there's a shifted mode. 
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raddevus wrote: That is what that stupid UP Arrow is for. Never would've guessed that.
It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons!
[edit] And if 'f's looked less like 'd's, too [/edit]
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Mark_Wallace wrote: It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons!
Nailed it!!
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It is not vey much different that many hardware calculators that have a SHIFT button...
Philippe Mori
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Yes, but they do that because of limited space. The damned OS calculator takes up half the screen before you extend it.
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Except all those calculators that have a shift button also have the names of the shift-functions above the button to which they are assigned. That simple bit of design would have given all the context in the world to the up arrow, which, by itself, means nothing on a calculator.
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And here I was... trying to change the behavior of that button by actually clicking on the arrow key and the shift key on my keyboard and expecting them to actually have an effect. I didn't see that array tile on the UI until you specifically told me where it is... 
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Brilliant! An "up" arrow scrolls it UP or DOWN. Sure didn't see that one coming.
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It is called responsive design...A BS implementation of responsive design...
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Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: A BS implementation of responsive design
I think you nailed it with this.
Some junior dev or intern who was like, "yeah, that's my responsive design...hiding stuff unless the stupid user moves unknown stuff around..."
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I shouldn't be at all surprised if that's really what they think responsive design means.
"Oh, it means that you see more if you make the window bigger!"
yup.
And the best part is that these **Great** **Upgrades** are forced on everyone.
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Get the tee-shirt: "RESPOND TO THIS"
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Requisition Request:
Item: 4K resolution monitor (36 inch minimum)
Purpose: required to perform natural logarithmic synergy functions outside of Excel without standing up a web service for modeling of customer retention algorithms.
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englebart wrote: Item: 4K resolution monitor (36 inch minimum)
Seems reasonable. 
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I wonder what kind of genius designed this UI. I need to maximize to see all the buttons, otherwise asin, acos, atan are not visible too. This is baffling. Who would have known? Do we need to read documentation in order to use calculator now?
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raddevus wrote: I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner.
Try Google: ln(1) - Google Search[^]
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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That's very cool. I forgot about how helpful Google is in this case. Thx.
Out of curiosity, do you have the ln button in your win8 win10 calc?
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I'm no fan of google's, but that I like!
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Click the Up-arrow just below the square root sign, to the left of CE.
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Someone else mentioned that too.
I never would've guessed that up arrow meant that.
I think Microsoft has instituted a new UI Design goal...Punish the user
It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now.
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IIRC there is a section (can't recall which) in Charles Petzold's book "Programming Windows", where he writes "No one said it would be easy".
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You had me at...
Richard MacCutchan wrote: Charles Petzold's book
Great writer.
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But Petzold was talking about programming! not using!
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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