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Have you guys ever heard of a company doing a contract to hire, and them making the employee (once hired) take a severe pay-cut? I never heard of this practice until moving to California, but considering the whole reason contract to hire is to make easier on the employer to get rid of people they don't like (try before you buy) I've never seen a company try to short change a person's take home pay simply because they now want to hire him/her and give them benefits.
Anyone else?
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Anyone else?
Yes I have seen that quite often actually. Usually perpetrated by companies that think that unemployment is high and you can't find another job elsewhere so they think they have you over a barrel.
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Yeah, I don't see how any company can keep quality talent like this. Something just doesn't seem right about it.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: can keep quality talent like
The reality is, is they don't. The people take the jobs to solve their short term unemployment problem and then immediately start looking for a job that pays them market or better. I was in that exact situation a long time ago. I was making a major life change at the time so I took the job hoping that they would sweeten the deal after some time. When I gave notice that I got another offer for 33% more, it was only right then that they discovered that, miraculously, they suddenly had that in the budget if I would stay.
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You are correct to do so sir. And oddly enough, as a company they're doing pretty well here. So, it's not really about money.
Jeremy Falcon
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It's managers being short sighted is all.
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I can buy that. Trying to look good, at the expense of others, but not seeing the big picture. You've obviously have been around the block.
Jeremy Falcon
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I've been seeing that lately. This was in Southern California and the contract rate was a very competitive. However, the salary they stated was way below market. This seems to be massively more common on the coastal states.
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Go figure. I'm in SoCal right now, and that's exactly what's going on. Can't say I'm entirely thrilled about it either.
Jeremy Falcon
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Can you continue on contract?
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Maybe. Guess I'll find out soon enough.
Jeremy Falcon
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FTEs are almost always paid lower than a contractor would, but it's made up somewhat by other benefits like PTO, 401K, medical insurance, ESOP, etc. That said, depending on what you meant by severe, I'd guess it's time to look for another job/contract.
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That's just what it is though, the outrageous fees they pay for a contracting company (that I was hired through) is much much much more expensive than the normal overhead associated with employees. They could keep my rate the same and still pay less as a FTE. So, it's not really about saving money.
Jeremy Falcon
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Now you know why I have been contract with the same company for 12 years, perm package is just not attractive enough and they really want my services so they keep me on despite "company policy". There have been a number of attempts to force me to perm, my offer is to move on every time.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I think so too. They keep on spouting 401K like it's a God send, but to anyone who knows anything about investing, they know it's a joke. I can think of better uses of my money than a 401K. So that doesn't justify a huge drop in pay.
Jeremy Falcon
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Its expensive to employ ( UK ) people on PAYE employers have to pay national insurance , sick pay and holidays and bank holidays. Contractors typically don't get these benefits but they get higher pay.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Sure, I get that, but some companies pay even more when going through a contracting agency. The extra fees and percent increase on the wage is a lot more costly than what they can save. A direct corp-to-corp contract would be one thing I suppose. I could get that.
Jeremy Falcon
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I don't think it's even legal in the Netherlands.
Employees have rights here, weird as that may sound to Americans 
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I'm starting to agree.
Jeremy Falcon
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Sure. I can contract for $90/hr or more, but the effective employee hourly rate is usually around half that.
Marc
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If it were just a contract situation I would agree. But it's a contract to hire thing. The company uses a contracting / staffing company and pays a huge overhead just for the righ to "not hire" someone they don't like with no legal fuss.
Jeremy Falcon
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Quote: By default, Windows 10 quietly reconfigures your default printer every time you print.
[Link]
Why am I telling you this? Because I just spent 4 hours trying to track down a devilish bug in a well known hated reporting library due to this setting being enabled on a test rig running the latest version of Winten.
Most reports worked fine. Others threw an access violation exception and crashed the program...all work fine in development.  I spent hours looking through code and comparing working reports to non-working reports. I was getting nowhere until I moved on to something else for awhile. The thought finally occurred to me to change the default printer. I noticed going into the control panel for printer/devices that no default printer was marked??? Previously, it had been set (under 8.1) to a pdf printer/driver. I set the default back to it's original setting and was informed that manually setting a default would disable 'Automatic Default Printer Management'. OK, no problem...didn't even know what it was or how it got switched on. With a default printer manually configured, all reports now work like they should! I'm back on schedule for Monday!
Maybe this will save someone else from pulling their hair out! Now, if I can just figure out why the SQL Service refuses to start automatically since the takeover! Not asking...not that important!
Have a great weekend! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: Why am I telling you this?
More to the point, why are you telling us this on a Saturday?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Sorry, I got interrupted yesterday and posted without re-reading this morning. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I was going to say! I had the Friday rant 
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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