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I spent probably the better part of two days putting together what I think is a decent "contact list". It uses jQuery, jQuery-tablesorter, and jQuery-UI, as well as a bunch of Javascript to avoid any server-side callbacks, and of course a bunch of CSS.
Now, the thing is, I'm constantly looking up the docs -- how do I sort table rows, how do move columns, how do I hide columns, how does the button-set work, why is $(this).hide() a function but row.hide() isn't, how do I get divs to align nicely horizontally, how do I get a div to right align, how do I get the last column of the table to right-align, how do I get the table columns to adjust to the width of their content, etc.etc.etc.
Now, please DO NOT answer these questions. I already know the answers, after spending countless hours Googling and Fiddling. I will say one thing, thank God (or the gods  ) for StackOverflow, the fount of amazing wisdom. I will admit that even after finding the answer, I enjoy reading all the rest of the possible solutions because often there are several options and it's highly educational.
So, back to my question -- is anyone actually fluent enough in these technologies so that if I give you the requirements:
I want:
a table of contacts
sortable by first name and last name
a slider button that lets you switch first / last name columns (affecting the sorting)
searchable with an A-Z index (like a physical address book with little "A", "B", "C..." etc. tabs)
and with columns for email address, home / work / cell phone numbers that can be selected by a button-set
...how long would it take you to write that? The amount of code is actually minimal, it seems like if you know what you're doing it shouldn't take more than 1/2 hour.
Oh, and I forgot to mention -- it needs to look good too. Mwahaha.
But does anyone really know how to do this stuff without looking up a gazillion things?
WinForm programming is child's play in comparison.
Anyways, an article on this will be forthcoming in the next day or two.
Here's the article.[^]
Marc
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Javascript makes me want to quit programming. CSS makes me want to quit web design. jQuery makes it all a tiny bit more bearable, but only a tiny bit.
Seriously looking at the Linux Bash console as a new platform...back to nice character mode programming like good old DOS.
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I'm starting to think the internet needs a label "Warning: No user serviceable parts".
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"No usable scripting languages inside" is more like
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I know what you mean, the entire "web development" idea/system is completely broken. HTML, CSS, another Javascript framework, etc.
All of it just feels like layers of broken systems designed to improve the lower system. It's absolutely awful. I spent hours attempting to get a Javascript/jQuery library working and all it was supposed to do is auto generate HTML tables from passed JSON. Don't even get me started on how long it took me from reading the "documentation" to send the JSON from PHP.
I'm looking into ASP.NET for the backend now.
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Lloyd Atkinson wrote: I know what you mean, the entire "web development" idea/system is completely broken.
That is why we get paid the big salaries. 
I have been doing web development for the past 15 years. It has gotten a whole lot easier over time. You should have been around when it was really broken.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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Easy but I do code javascript all day 
I will be posting a new article soon. It's a C# to JavaScript runtime parser. Should make our lives a lot easier with JS. I've almost got it completely working. Also supports multi inheritance unlike C#.
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Isn't this what TypeScript is? :P
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Actually no
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M@dHatter wrote: I will be posting a new article soon. It's a C# to JavaScript runtime parser.
Parser or compiler or converter? There's http://scriptsharp.com/[^] for generating Javascript by compiling C#. I was looking at that a couple days ago. BTW, in the Ruby world, there's http://opalrb.org/[^]
Anyways, I'm looking forward to your article!
Marc
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I work with JavaScript, CSS and jQuery (the only enjoyable bit) all the time and I still have to look most things up! Weirdly, I work with C# and .NET all the time as well and only occasionally have to look things up. I haven't really figured out why one is so much easier to work with than the others, it's all just objects, classes and code after all.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: I haven't really figured out why one is so much easier to work with than the others,
I'm starting to think it's because there is no "standard" way of doing anything regarding JavaScript. Should it go in , , somewhere else? It's just a frustrating experience when most of the JavaScript libraries out there assume your already some kind of pro at using CSS.
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I can't do anything without looking up a gazzillion things, any more!
Brain's full.
Don't work on any one technology for long enough to become a guru, as the NBT comes along and grabs my interest.
Those that are able to use stuff without recourse to the interwebs or, heaven forfend, a manual, are doomed to obsolescence!
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jQuery always feels like a donkey with a hundred tails pinned to it, to me. It's full of little inconsistencies and really awesome stuff hidden where you can't find it without being told.
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Not sure if I could do it in 1/2 an hour, but an hour would be ample time for me to pump out a no-jQuery javascript/html/css page using Notepad++ to do all that. If I had to look something up I'd be pretty surprised. I would expect a minute or two in the js debugger.
I spend my time split roughly 60:40 between js & win32 c++
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Just be glad you don't have to write the IE specific code directly.
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I have a couple of attempts at something vaguely similar, published here. If you want take a look.
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Two strings are approaching the TSA checkpoint at an airport, where the line of passengers is exceedingly long. To the annoyance of the passengers in line waiting to be security checked, the two strings are allowed to pass right on through the checkpoint, unchecked, ahead of all of the other passengers. When one of the passengers asked the TSA agent how this could have happened, the agent said:
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"Sorry we don't search strings" 
"... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute
"...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave
"Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon
It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011
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The TSA agent's face was twisted into a grotesque look. The passenger asked him why he was doing that...
"We don't use regular expressions."
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Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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I'm sure there must be another one in there along the lines of another Passenger asked the TSA Agent where the toilet was. To which he replied "I'm not a Pointer".
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VSO (Visual Studio Online) it the best thing Microsoft ever done for me.
I am now having all my projects stored online and to do that I no longer have to use messy (no offence)
Git based source control systems.
I can use my favorite TFS and have my code always accessible to me.
Thank you Microsoft
**Do you fill the same?
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TFS is a PITA, as every other source control system is. Plan your actions, and hardly anyone needs to merge classes anymore. Seriously: Git is good, TFS is good, and they both suck equally.
I will never again mention that Dalek Dave was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel.
How to ask a question
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While SVN still good for me. And more others, which prefers natural numbers over SHA1s.
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I have never had any experience with SVN, I've just used it pull code off of websites and nothing more,
But feature like build, load testing, and integrated work management system that comes with VSO makes it a pro.
even I'd prefer simple TFS-Express over anything else.
** This may be biased view 
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