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Sorry I'm a bit of a grammar nazi 
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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My fingers don't all work at the same speed any more, and my "typing brain" hasn't realized it yet. So I swap "n" and "g", "e" and "h", and a whole bunch of other letters over when I type fast.
The joys of getting older ... 
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Ah, you are obviously a touch typist - I never got further than using two fingers of each hand and the thumb for spacebar, considering my dad was a printer who typeset a good portion of the Lord of The Rings - no chip of the old block for me ( apart from his musical talent )
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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It seemed like a good idea decades ago when I started using computers. I got an Amstrad 6140 and Mavis Beacon and it's been a damn good investment over the years!
If anyone reading this is young and starting out on a computer career - learn to type properly, it'll save you hours every day and speed up your coding!
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Happy birthday to you!
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Even if you forego the frameworks and use plain vanilla js, eventually you'll end up making your own helper classes / ui library to reuse functionality. Imo you may as well use something like Angular / React, etc. that is well tested and documented.
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I ain't gonna use Angular. I am still baffled this pile of crap is so popular.
My preferences and love would go to Vue.js, Knockout.js..
But me think I might drop it all and use Blazor!
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I use Angular regularly and like it, maybe because the setup is kind of like MVVM which I used with WPF.
I've had a little bit of experience with React and it can do some cool stuff.
Blazor does look cool, but I have yet to try it. I largely use whatever is required at work, so maybe we'll get a project someday where this would be an option.
I had a look at Svelte • Cybernetically enhanced web apps recently and it looks nice.
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You should have a look at Vue.js!
I tried Angular, but I found it a PITA to use. And was confused too easily by seemingly simple angular code. Compare o what I could do with Knockout.js, I saw little benefits and lot of pain...
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Point of article is that you should write your own helpers.
Because then you are in control. With Angular we just got hit by what is written in article.
We have angular 7 in our build process - which depends on node-saas and guess what that version of node-saas is now gone on github 404 not found.
Yes we probably should have updated it to newer version earlier. But I am not product owner and guess what - when we told him how much it will take to update and how many regressions might be there decision was: "if it works leave it as is".
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That sucks 
To be fair this could happen to any project with 3rd party dependencies on Nuget packages. Although it adds to the size of the repo (and many would argue against it) we check in node_modules to avoid this situation. You could maybe add (from a dev pc) just the ones you're missing to fix the build?
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And why not? Your personal lib will be both streamlined and controlled by you. Maybe I'm a coding megalomaniac, but I'd much rather have control of as much of my code as possible.
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Maybe if I were at expert level, but I'm not so it's easier to use a framework that someone who knows a whole lot more than me has made.
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I actually agree with the article in some aspects.
if the project scope is small to medium: stick with basics: JS/CSS easier to maintain over the years/developers.
if the project gets to be large to stupid big: frameworks do help out in at least keeping things organized. but are a super pain when updating to a new(er) version. (if possible, we still have a Angular 1 project that no one wants to touch in fear of it breaking)
I was surprised the article mentioned Handlebars.js, since it's not much of a framework and more of a lightweight approach to making html partials with some customizing if needed. I feel like this belongs also in the medium range of projects, help keep you organized but not get in your way of development. technically it's a backend server side renderer, but it's also easy to build a front end version of the same thing, takes about a day to build most of the features.
where I work we have technically 3 types of projects:
* basic html5/JS/CSS -when no DB is needed
* ASP.Net core/JS/bootstrap -when DB access is required
* React/bootstrap.
The first two I enjoy working in, the projects are quick and fun, the last takes way more time to work out the features and layouts, and just feels heavy in final implementation.
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I agree with the line at the end of the article that says:
Quote: But at the end of the day nothing works better and is easier to debug and maintain than just pain JS and native CSS.
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I have been hoping that WebAssembly would become the new "framework" that way folks wouldn't feel the need to encapsulate the horror that is JavaScript.
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Just as Jacquers said, this is a solid way to ensure that you end up developing your own UI framework that's both poorly tested, poorly documented, but worst of all is not known by anyone but the current developers working on it. How much time is a business really going to want to waste re-inventing the wheel when there's frameworks out there already?
I would think it'd have an impact on recruitment as well. It's all well and nice to mention that the front-end is written using vanilla JS and CSS, but ultimately at some point the question is going to be asked "what sort of front-end libraries or frameworks do you use?" and someone is going to have to explain that this developer (with experience with Angular + React + Typescript + LESS/SASS/SCSS) is going to have to learn a whole new, custom framework. Yikes 
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I've been doing web dev for many years and all I ever add is jquery and a common js file. There's no need to build your own ui framework. Keep it simple.
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I have yet to see a framework that was worth the trouble to lean. So many of them lead to inefficient code and unindexable database queries that they simply aren't worth the hassle.
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Frameworks are "good" if all you ever do is write the same type of app; typically featuring lots of "data grids".
Want to model the solar system? Then forget it.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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8 versions of Angular in 6 years! The problem is not just keeping up with the latest version: some old projects are still using the older versions. When the customer comes back to you with a feature request, you have to write/maintain code that interacts with old Angular. Plus later versions of Angular use Typescript which developers have to learn as well. The learning curve is very steep with Angular and is difficult to troubleshoot when things go wrong.
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I was going to object with "what's wrong with VCL or WPF", but then I've read it's about web UI frameworks, not UI frameworks in general.
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