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Is it good will, or are you paid for it?
modified 13-Sep-18 21:01pm.
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Thaddeus Jones wrote: Is it good will, or are you paid for it?
Given that there's at least the possibility of changing jobs (or even careers), I'd say it's a mix of both.
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Good point 
modified 13-Sep-18 21:01pm.
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Not the direction I was coming from -
It's that some of them, for a short while, thought it would be best to get rid of IT and use outside contractors. Someone, in the background, reawakened them to the facts that not only does our stuff work better, but we're more responsive to changes. And they have their face in our stuff almost all day long, keeping the company running.
It's like the the old Chinese fable about the body rebelling against the stomach because they didn't think it contributed to the person - so they stopped feeding it . . . .
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Yup - we need to invent a word to use when one gets an (like your previous employer) epiphany just a bit too late.
Oh. Wait. There is one. Regret. - I wonder if the bean-counters are still employed?
One of the few real ego boosts in my life: my previous employer let me go, thinking they could do better with a 'real professional'. And then another one after they replaced him. And another one. Then, I heard that they now had to hire two people to replace me. And for all that, all they did was put a new face on the software I built. Four year later.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Yup - we need to invent a word to use when one gets an (like your previous employer) epiphany just a bit too late.
Oh. Wait. There is one. Regret. - I wonder if the bean-counters are still employed?
Better yet - schadenfreude 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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One of my longtime customers is about to lose their DBA/IT guy due to retirement and figured the answer was to move a few of their LOB applications to the cloud. The POS got moved almost a year ago and while it works fine on it's own, there are major problems with the data flowing in/out of it. I just spoke with their bookkeeper who will be working yet another Saturday trying to get caught up.
Yes, they succeeded in reducing their local IT workload, but now they've lost control of the data/databases to a software vendor that hasn't been able to correct a few missing/incorrect fields in reports/exports in almost 10 months since it was reported.  (i'm sure they're an agile shop, so of course custom reports are likely at the bottom of a todo list)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Sometimes, members of management need to be re-educated
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W∴ Balboos wrote: 'At this moment in time, your entire operation depends upon my good will to keep things running."
You could do like out IT guy does when anyone ever teases him. He asks, "Have you saved all your work?" 
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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That would be a nice change from my usual - 'I hope your password still works, tomorrow'
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W∴ Balboos wrote: 'I hope your password still works, tomorrow'
That's a good one too.  
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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while I don't disagree with your statement. There is always the thought that no one, I repeat no one is irreplaceable.
I have been in the room when a SQL DBA said that to a boss. The DBA did not make it back to his chair across the room.
I agree that local in house IT is always the best. It is best for the company, best for the co-workers (who are not in IT) and best for the IT personal who feel like they are part of something. They get more fully vested and the return on investment is huge. But I urge caution whenever you begin to feel too big for your own britches.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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There was a developer who once said (don't remember the context now):
If I make that application up and running and working as needed in time, I can break it again as earlier too.
Of course source control would have helped but he just stunned everyone for a moment.
There was this other guy who would right such obscure code that it is was only him who could understand what the heck is going on there. The code worked absolutely well but was not documented at all. He was a walking talking ransomware.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Scrubbing all propriety and confidential information
So we are involved in various testing of prototype tools ( costly and all info/ datasheet not available) and time was the essence to maintain the deadline and enough pressure from people above my pay grade. The corresponding SME from product team was on vacation and not returning for next 2 weeks and my manager was vacation too. So yours truly proceeded with the test setup and execution with the knowledge I had .Was say 99.99% sure that I am doing right. I emailed my manager with my reason for starting the test and risk if I messed up.
Well to cut the long story short, the electronics in tool got destroyed as I was not in loop in recent changes in the power module. So per policy , we had a Fact finding meeting ( Whom to blame and dry his skin meeting). I presented the sequence and why tool got destroyed. So they asked me, why did I start the test with SME out of town blah, blah. Deadline cannot be a reason for not waiting etc.. Then my Manager interrupted and said verbatim ,
Quote: I approved the execution of the test and he had informed of the risk but I said , Go ahead. And please don't even dare ask me why I approved the test. In this same Room two weeks back, some of you and others lamented that Departments are slacking and often come with vacation and lack of engineers excuses for not doing the job. Mr X few minutes ago lectured on that Deadline is not a valid reason but two weeks ago you said Deadline cannot be compromised for any reason. You asked us to be proactive and take initiative and get the job done. Failure will happen sometime but you said it is part of the learning curve while changing our way of doing things here. So Please, I have real work to do and I would prefer if this meeting sticks to fact finding and lesson learnt. So My humble request is please give the engineers due respect for doing the job and lets keep the management insights away from them. My department task always has some risk and that's the cost of doing business. We would mess up once in a while when we are doing our job but don't blame us for that. Take us to cleaners for not trying but don't ever complain that we are trying too hard.
So Should we order pizza for all of us if we are going to stay longer?"
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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He's one of the very few good guys!
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Please tell me if it was followed with mic drop!
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Unfortunately not  .
The funny part was that I think Manager was smart enough to give those guys some face saving by asking about pizza and not allowing to argue on his rant.
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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I bet he would have only ordered for him and his team
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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"Not all managers are bad".
"All managers are not bad" means something else.
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Indeed, they are not bad[^].
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It is still a step up from "incompetent"
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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All fine, but why did you let the electronics be destroyed ? 
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I'm a little jealous of your position, I worked for a similar manager once but he was run out by follow employees because he held them to high standards and expected them to answer for not doing their job.
He understood that mistakes happen, but so long as I had acted on the best information that was available to me at the time then he'd support me. Never gave a reason for him to have to stand up and defend me, although I'm sure he would have.
Now I get chastised for defending myself when things go wrong.
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That got my up-vote. Wow. Obviously this guy already did his own time down in the trenches.
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