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That joke's so old it actually predates computers having been told about all kinds of positivist philosophers, literal Bible readers, etc. There was probably a version of it in the original draft of one of the gospels aimed at mocking Pharisees but it was already so old that it didn't make the final cut!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Damn it. $10 worth of tickets and only one of the numbers matched. 
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Which one? Maybe if we combine our tickets we won something. I got 27.
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And I have another one, now we just need 4 more and we're in the money!
New version: WinHeist Version Tequila, the nigh time, snuffly, sneezing, how the hell did I end up on the bathroom floor medicine.
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Hah, I checked my numbers yesterday...$20 of quick picks got me 2 numbers!...a disproportionate amount of low numbers in the winning sequence. That's random for you! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I dreamt I dwelt in marbled hall
with vassals and serfs at my side
after winning the Power Ball
And then I had to wake up!! Oh for Pete's sake! 
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
modified 14-Jan-16 18:35pm.
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Cornelius Henning wrote: Oh for Pete's sake!
What did Pete have to do with it?
New version: WinHeist Version Tequila, the nigh time, snuffly, sneezing, how the hell did I end up on the bathroom floor medicine.
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Pete's the safe he bought to store the money. He was hoping to salt Peter with the winnings.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Just got a message from EBay saying ...
Quote: It's been more than a year since you last updated your personal info.
Keeping your personal information up to date can help better protect your account.
The reason I haven't is because I haven't used the account in the last decade but it made me wonder whether they're right. I mean, if there is outdated information on there, say expired credit cards or addresses where I no longer live, surely that means that should EBay ever be hacked the info won't be of any actual use. Whereas if I keep everything bang up to date ... 
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Giving anyone any of your personal information makes it less secure.
And I agree with you; out-dated information is probably the way to go.
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I got one too. I guess they want your latest (working) email or phone so that they can tell you your account was hacked and credit card number stolen. 
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email providers and the likes to the same thing, I also always wonder why giving more information is considered more secure. (and since no one ever convinced me, I never do  )
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Have any of you participated in Focus groups? I have, once, and it was odd.
It got me thinking though. We talk to a lot of companies and it's disturbing that they are in our industry yet they don't understand us. A lovely, intelligent, witty person from an unnamed extremely Large Company I met with yesterday freely admitted that she just doesn't get (and will never get) developers. I wasn't offended. Not too much, anyway.
So I thoughts to myself: I thought, what if we brought together a bunch of developers and worked and did some translation work. ie we take, for instance, a message, an ad, some product launch rhetoric - something that's typically illogical, poorly worded and misses the point - and we have a focus group discuss how to present this in a sane, sensible, logical way that normal people (i.e. us) can understand and relate to.
If there are enough people interested I'll start a group, post the link, and you lot can join up. I'll hunt around for some marketing-speke we can...discuss.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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You may translate it first...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Yes.
But be careful that you don't get only we pedants.
modified 14-Jan-16 18:35pm.
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Chris Maunder wrote: normal people (i.e. us)
sadly, I think
a) most of the 'marketing' is targeted at 'normal' (whatever that is) people
b) developers != 'normal' - not just 'intelligence', but the way we see things - a whole host of things
I think we are 'ab-normal' in a lot of things, compared to an 'average' population - and we are not who
Chris Maunder wrote: extremely Large Company
is targeting
'g'
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Chris Maunder wrote: A lovely, intelligent, witty person
Probably from marketing or sales or worse an evangelist! These people live on a different planet, not the different one developers live on so "getting" developers is extremely unlikely.
Chris Maunder wrote: logical way that normal people (i.e. us)
Hahahahahah hick, thank you I needed a good laugh this morning, made my Friday start most enjoyable.
I still think you would be replacing one set of buzzwords (marketing) with our set of buzzwords, in which case marketing would not understand what they are saying... oh wait!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I do them every now and again; can be interesting/fun.
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Chris Maunder wrote: we have a focus group discuss how to present this in a sane, sensible, logical way that normal people (i.e. us) can understand and relate to
This is what happens in the Lounge every single day. Apart from sane, sensible and logical bits.
veni bibi saltavi
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Depends on the purpose of the focus group.
Remember:Henry Ford said: If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses
Steve Jobs Said: It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them.
But if you just want feedback on ads I'd say go for it.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them.
As much as it pains me to somewhat agree with Steve Jobs (I met him once in '79 and concluded he was an a**hole), my experience has been they don't know what you can do.
After several iterative changes, I've asked, "Why didn't you ask for that to begin with?" And invariably the response is, "I didn't know if you could do that."
Like it would never occur to me to say, "That's not possible."
Psychosis at 10
Film at 11
Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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I think to try and render who "we" are from "our" response to some package-of-marketing-hype would be like trying to render what race-horses are by having a panel of jockeys discuss race-horse poop.
cheers, Bill
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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Software Zen: delete this;
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I used to say (as a sort of joke): "I'm normal, it's everyone else that isn't"
Lately when I say it it's more of a truth than a joke, most articles, documentation, adds, ... (not written by/for developers) that I'v read the past year, have so many logical errors in it, or just don't make any sense, that I'v started to question humanity's sanity.
So yeah a group like that could be handy, only problem is we are all (I think) programmers so wouldn't we all be sitting (virtually) around scratching our head in disbelieve and confusion?
Tom
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: so wouldn't we all be sitting (virtually) around scratching our head in disbelieve and confusion?
And you don't see the fun in that?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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