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Sander Rossel wrote: but happy, hobo.
I am sorely tempted.
Marc
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It's the unholy mess that is ASP MVC that is the reason I use the MEAN stack. It's so much more straightforward to use, especially when combined with Typescript.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: It's the unholy mess that is ASP MVC that is the reason I use the MEAN stack.
I just encountered that acronym last week. Apparently there's a new book on Amazon on it.
While I find myself very critical of the NoSQL movement, I'm also interested from people I respect as to their thoughts on it -- so, what are your experiences with MongoDB?
Marc
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As long as you use Mongo for the right problem, it's very powerful and remarkably straightforward to use, especially if you use the Mongoose package. Certain problems require you to go outside of Mongo - for instance, when it comes to full text, I tend to use ElasticSearch instead because the full text support in Mongo isn't that clever. The hardest thing is to stop thinking of data in the way you think of it for an RDBMS. Once you get around that, and understand what concepts like map-reduce actually means, then you're well on your way to developing a good understanding of it. I'm delivering a talk on Socket.IO next month where I'll show MEN part of that stack (I'm not using Angular for the demo), and I'll hopefully be showing how easy it is to use this stack.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I'm delivering a talk on Socket.IO next month where I'll show MEN part of that stack (I'm not using Angular for the demo), and I'll hopefully be showing how easy it is to use this stack.
If anyone records the talk, I'd be interested in watching it!
Marc
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I'm hoping the talks will be recorded (I'm also giving another one on developing applications with Intel's RealSense Technology). They are at this[^] event.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: As long as you use Mongo for the right problem,
Yep.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Once you get around that, and understand what concepts like map-reduce actually means, then you're well on your way to developing a good understanding of it.
Keeping in mind of course that this is only true if it is still based on your first requirement that it is used for right problem in the first place. If it isn't used for the right problem then one tends to end up with 'solutions' that are similar to medieval surgery (hack and hope it lives.)
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jschell wrote: Keeping in mind of course that this is only true if it is still based on your first requirement that it is used for right problem in the first place
Oh, definitely. There is a temptation to see everything as a document shaped problem if you aren't too rigorous with yourself.
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I feel your pain. It wasn't received well in the community either. I trashed a couple of projects just by using nuget after the mvc.dll change in the normal ms updates[^]
It's been a bad ordeal, and not something you'd expect from vs, mvc, etc...
I had tons of errors and lost a couple days before just starting over with a new project and importing all my code.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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Registration page....why not go with static html and grab the data in the controller? (Use knockout if you need to). Be careful with MongoDB. If you need indexes on sub-forms (usually array fields) it will bog down when collection grows. For the right project MongoDB is awesome. Cheers (but I feel the pain).
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charliebear24 wrote: Be careful with MongoDB. If you need indexes on sub-forms (usually array fields) it will bog down when collection grows.
I hope to go to my grave without ever having to use a NoSQL database.
charliebear24 wrote: Registration page....why not go with static html and grab the data in the controller? (Use knockout if you need to).
Ah, so many different solutions, so little time. 
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: I installed RazorEngine so that I could generate some HTML directly from a template to create the body of a registration email.
Ain't string.Replace, simple enough? I never had any problems with Razor the way it is meant to be used with MVC (rendering views).
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Fabio Franco wrote: Ain't string.Replace, simple enough?
You're absolutely right, but I thought I might see how this is done for something simple (where string.Replace would indeed work much less painfully) in case I want to use RazorEngine for something more complicated later on.
So, in some ways, it's good I learned about this now.
Marc
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Got ya, I'm sorry I can't give you any advice on a good tool for that. I never had to do anything overly complicated
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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I guess i gotta step in and save all your asses then 
Swig.JS[^]
Does everything that Razor can do in pure JS...
I use it all the time when converting solutions from MVC to Larvel/PHP, the programming model is almost identical..
Shawty
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Peter Shaw wrote: I guess i gotta step in and save all your asses then
Swig looks cool, but I really do not want to be coding in JavaScript as the primary language, especially on the server-side, which is also why I'm not particularly interested in node.js, though at some point I'll take a poke at is.
Marc, the Biased
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It's not as bad as it looks Marc
and this is coming from someone who'd still write everything directly in ASM if it was an accepted route...
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Peter Shaw wrote: and this is coming from someone who'd still write everything directly in ASM if it was an accepted route...
Heh. I'm with you there!
I did take a closer look, and yes, it doesn't look that bad. What I'd love though is for a proper "page designer" that would just figure out all the damn CSS, HTML, model, and "view-code" for whatever view engine I want to use. Doing web development is like going back to the stone ages. Or probably more accurately, being thrown into the cockpit of a 747 and told to land the plane with a 50 MPH crosswind on instruments alone.
Marc
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I might actually be able to help you there... well if I ever get the project I started finished one of my many temporarily abandoned ones.
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Peter Shaw wrote: I might actually be able to help you there...
Landing a 747? 
Actually, I'm using Razor at the moment for a fun little pro-bono project, putting together a website for the Dartmouth MA Department of Public Works -- did we talk about that before? If you want to get involved, the code base is here[^] and the website is here[^] -- takes forever to spin up. I'm looking into Razor Generator[^] to speed up the first-time page loads.
Marc
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That too....
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Hello everyone !, Please Help !
I'm going to insert IP Address Control to List Control Column.
How Can I Insert IP Address Control to List COntrol?
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Step 2) try to be a bit more clear on what your asking... if you sledgehammer a question, you'll get sledgehammer responses.
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First, take a deep breath. Most everyone has gone through the "first time" experience. Remember that it's OK if you List a bit and lose control.
Marc
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