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Good general advice.
Can we get the IDE to answer questions in QA?
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For every feature, there is usually a reason behind it.
Now I wonder if that feature was driven by the developer that worded the text, or if the designers were instructed by a long chain of management that was related to QA, or developer group forums that were tired of pointing out:
"Before you can run your program, it must compile..."
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And here's another reason...
A friends mother is 80+, and pretty computer literate: until her router breaks, that is. Then I get to spend the morning trying to fix things.
OK, router hardware I can't fix - so I grabbed my old "spare" Netgear router and reconfigured that to take the place of her one temporarily. She feels about the same as I do about a lack of internet access... 
Set the SSID to the same as the broken on one. 
Set the security the same:
Set the wireless password:
Set the ADSL login too...what's the ID and password, Iris? OK...lets try guessing...OK - got it.
Her wired LAN XP PC connects, and the internet works.
My Nexus connects and internet works.
Her Kindle? Yes.
Her Win8 lappie? 
Finally work out that despite the SSID, security mechanism, and password being the same, you have to find where you can enter the password in Win8. And there is it: ABC123* clear as day. Yep, that's right.
But despite Win8 knowing the password, you have to delete it, type it back in again and then it will connect to the wireless network... 
Why? Is this just to annoy people? Or push them to the arms of Android...
*: Not the real password, obviously...
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inb4 "Windows 8 does not exist"
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harold aptroot wrote: Windows 8 does should not exist
FTFY!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Is this just to annoy people?
You need to ask?
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Besides the usual SSID and router password, there seems to be another hidden code that passes between a device and a router...had this happen with a wireless printer of all things...you need to reconnect your devices to the new router from scratch regardless of the same password and coordinates as the old router.
Not the fault of Windows 8...everything is like that.
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Um.
My Nexus worked straight away.
So did her Kindle...
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So your Nexus has a Kindle?
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It's probably smarter than I am!
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It worries me that he thinks his Nexus is female.
I don't think I want to know what he uses it for.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Maybe because of less security?...just a thought.
I've had this happen often enough that I just reconnect from scratch.
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DaveX86 wrote: Maybe because of less security?...just a thought.
Dunno. If it was worried about a MiM attack, it should have said so, rather than just allow the connection after the password had been retyped.
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Yes, it probably should say 'This isn't the droid I was looking for' or something...Microsoft are far from infallible though, as we all know.
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I'm not defending Windows 8, though I am using it right now and I don't hate it as much as I'd hoped to hate it. 
But I would like to point out that this is similar to old Web Browsers and W3C compliance.
Web Browsers W3C Compliance : Remember When?
Remember when Microsoft didn't follow the W3C and you could have malformed HTML and IE would render perfectly? Then you would load the bad HTML and/or CSS in a standards compliant browser like (netscape) or firefox and it would look ugly or totally fail to render. Everyone thought microsoft IE worked perfectly but they encouraged bad behavior by HTML creators.
Analogous?
Maybe in the case of having to re-connect they are actually keeping you more safe, but they look like they fail.
And -- I too am a Nexus 7 owner and love Android -- the fact that the Android device doesn't warn you means that if someone set up a fake network of the same name as yours then you'd connect to that one without knowing it.
Just some thoughts.
Ubuntu Vs. Vista
I suffered this same kind of problem with an old Vista laptop and I finally just gave up bec it wouldn't connect to wireless router and I booted Ubuntu from a flash drive and it connected before the OS was even finished loading. wow. Cool stuff.
The Real Solution
And after all of this, it is a failure that the OS doesn't pop up a window and say, "I can't connect because you are connecting to a new network even though it has the same name as an old network connection."
So in this case I guess we can now go back to blaming Win 8 for not doing that. It really should.
Shew... for a moment there I thought I was an M$ fanboy. 
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Yes, I'd agree - if you set up a "fake" network with the same SSID and password I'd be glad of it not connecting. But...first there is the "password" bit, which a fake shouldn't know. Second, why not pop up a box to say "this has changed, do you want to connect?". And thirdly, why the elephant make be delete teh contents of a text box, type the same text back in and then work? That does nothing to prevent "fake" networks, it's just plain annoying because the network doesn't work, but all the information is correct! 
MS does some things very well indeed (VS and Excel are prime examples) - but there are times when I feel they farmed out user interface design, development, and testing to the lowest bidder on Rent-a-coder (the Ribbon, Win 8, VS 2012 SHOUTY, Word...)
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Again, I totally feel your pain on this, bec I just went through it with Vista a few weeks ago. I completely gave up after deleting and re-adding the wireless connection multiple times.
OriginalGriff wrote: fake" network with the same SSID and password I'd be glad of it not connecting
I think you are right about that. The one situation I was thinking of and wondering about is if it would be possible that the fake network be named the same as yours but require not password for login. Would it then authenticate you? I don't know. I'm curious though.
It's a terrible thing to be trapped helping someone with their computer and then they think the problem is you.
This Dilbert really says it all:
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-06-27/[^]
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newton.saber wrote: Would it then authenticate you?
I don't think so: as far as I know it isn't a "password" so much as an encryption key, so a blank at the "sending" end should mean a decryption failure at the "receiving" end and a lack of communications (otherwise the actual wifi data would be public and naughty people would have wifi readers on their tablets (like they used to have for analog phones in the Dark Ages)
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I don't know much about WLAN connections, but maybe Windows 8 also saves and checks the MAC of the router to match?
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When the laptop did not connect, did you try rebooting it in between the switch of the APs, or even turning off the network adapter an turning it back on?
It seems to me that would be a security feature of the devices that require you to force the reconnect even though the credentials matched to protect against devices masquerading as the same "safe" AP.
If you did try that, I sympathize with your frustration.
Actually, I sympathize either way.
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You and a whole lot of others.
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Yes, there are plenty of reasons to dislike it...agreed. Not connecting to a 'masquerading' router seems like a good idea to me, but I do agree that the OS could have been more forthcoming about the connection failure.
On a positive note, I installed a wireless printer/scanner for the wife a couple of weeks ago. Her Win8 system found the printer on the network and could print within seconds. Her Win7 work laptop required much more work to get it working, including installing drivers and software.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Is it possible that it was looking for the "MAC" address too ?
And the others were not?
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Meh.
If a new network device suddenly pops up and is set up to pretend to be an existing router, I'd be okay with being forced by my OS to re-enter the password instead of assuming this is not a rogue device and connecting to it automatically.
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And so would I. But just disabling the WiFi without telling you, or giving you any reason, or clue that it's done it, or idea how to undo it...
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