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rnbergren wrote: Life unfortunately is not fair ever.
That's just not true. Except when it is.
Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer.
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Last job I was at was asked to do overtime,
salaried so there was no overtime pay (common in most salaried jobs)
anyway in those cases I would tell the boss I'd take time in lieu when I needed it.
usually if it was only a few hours (perhaps over a few nights), on a Friday if no deadlines looming I'd tell the boss [again not ask, I told] the boss I'd take off at lunch/afternoon tea to make up for the 'overtime the other day.' (Generally I'd take a little less hours than worked OT so they couldn't complain.)
If it was a whole-nighter/whole-weekend [and the job was finished] I'd just message the boss the next morning I wouldn't be in that day [to get my own stuff done that I had put off to finish this work] (or on the Monday after a weekend stint).
1. don't let it accumulate nor wait too long before taking otherwise they will argue back (often mentioning "long lunches / "late starts" you often take (even if not true hard to argue).
2. just take it - it is your right.
if you're valuable enough to them there should not be an argument, ignore it if there is, tell the boss you had stuff to do that you put off FOR HIM and now it has to be done, fair is fair.
If your boss still complains don't be afraid to go over his head;
- tell bigger boss it was not your problem that not enough resources or/and promises were committed to get the job done in normal time
- and that you had your own/personal things to get done [for/with your family] which you willingly put off temporarily to help the company meet it's deadline but these things still had to get done sooner, so fair is fair, you already went the extra mile to help them. (If they ask what cite family commitments - they can't ever tell you to ignore your family - winners include kids school stuff or helping old sick/weak [grand]parents.)
After that it will be your boss that needs to explain, why overtime was required, why insufficient resources were committed, why he/she is not giving time to employees to get personal matters done to satisfy his/her own goals ...
Don't care about others finding out, should be normal practice.
but main thing is, don't ask, just tell them and take it. It IS your right.
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For current employment, all of IT is "exempt", which means no pay for OT. Essentially, they count as salaried. Except they/we don't get the good parts of salaried.
Federal government: employees above a certain pay grade were considered exempt, but that meant that they couldn't get money. They could get "compensatory time" (Comp Time). In fact, they must get it. They also have arrangements for earning religious comp time, which was a mechanism for persons of comparatively rare religious beliefs to earn time off in order to use it for religious observance.
Otherwise, as stated in many a reply, OT for regular employees is 1.5x their normal wage, and working on holidays gives rather lucrative holiday pay, which is OT on a higher wage scale. Or not, depending upon the contract (if union).
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Huh. I'm salaried, so there is no 'overtime'. In theory my boss could demand I put in 100 hour weeks and I would have no say in the matter, and still only get paid for 40.
In actuality my boss actively discourages putting in extra time. Due to staff reductions the last few years (we've gone from 17 people down to 6) and little or no reduction in workload, he manages our commitments and schedules to fit. He's also very earnest at helping us manage "work-life balance". Given that all of us have 10, 15, or more years experience in the industry, he doesn't want to lose any of us.
Software Zen: delete this;
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@petepjksolutionscom
We didn't get it last week, remember?
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Sorry been in meeting - will put one up tomorrow if that's ok
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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I dunno, letting work get in the way of the important things! 
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I know - I'll try and make tomorrows a bit easier 
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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He has lots of previous for it.
This space for rent
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Gauss' Birthday, is it? I think this information is worthy of further distribution (naturally).
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Let Make xxx Great Again!!! 
What can we substitute xxx with?
By the way, just clarification, xxx <> sex. 
Bryian Tan
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Quote: By the way, just clarification, xxx <> sex
That's what they told while I was Thailand.
The best way to make your dreams come true is to wake up.
Paul Valery
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Stephen Gonzalez wrote: while I was Thailand
You were Thailand?
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Cheese!
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That cheesy comment melted my heart.
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Brie isn't a Cheese.
A good Brie (and a very good Camembert) is technically a small animal, and (in the unpasteurised version) may indeed be sentient enough to register to vote.
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OriginalGriff wrote: may indeed be sentient enough to register to vote.
It's certainly more qualified than most actual voters.
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Bryian Tan wrote: What can we substitute xxx with?
Web development? Uh, no, it was never great to begin with! 
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Let start with Pascal or FORTRAN
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codeproject
Let's build a wall to keep the homework questions out. Stack Overflow can pay for the wall.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Bryian Tan wrote: What can we substitute xxx with?
Dalek Dave
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