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Both.
Password management is more complicated than that - and it inevitably suffers from being distilled down to what the end user can understand.
Password length is usually set to a period and length that exceeds the time a given computer can brute force the password. In other words - if a reasonable adversary can crack the password on a fast PC in 30 days, then either the password needs to be longer, or you need to change it sooner. Of course - explaining this to people can be complicated - and enforcing complex rules for passwords like, if it's 8 characters it needs to be changed every 10 days, and if it's 9 characters then every 30 are also not possible on most systems.
So people try to generalize.
If you explain to them for example that you have 15 character passwords, and cracking them brute force is just not practical - you have processes to change them when key people who know the password leave, (or if the crypto were to be broken), then perhaps you could have your approach risk accepted. In practice this will probably save you a lot of effort - and you will end up with better passwords as well.
Hope that helps.
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TuRgIdPePtIcNaGs Odd letters:
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Too easy - it wasn't a sentence, so the "odds" made it pop out! 
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Yeah I thought of loads of good ones last night - but5 couldn't remember any of them on the way in.
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That's why I email things to myself!
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I always knew the "I got sent this" was lies.
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So Yesterday , we had a small function from Workplace which was celebrating a successful product launch and completion for 5/10 years of few employees etc. The main idea was a informal meeting of colleagues and good food. The invitation said "Business Casual".
Well When I arrived at the venue, I was one of the 3 guys who were in Business casual. Kakhi pants/ Long sleeve shirt or similar lines. Rest of the people were in suit and 100% formal.
So my question is Business casual too much fuss? Or formal suit is also considered business casual?
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Perhaps business casual just = no trainer shoes these days.
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super wrote: Rest of the people were in suit and 100% formal.
Formal is short with shirt... I have not suit at all...
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Business casual? What's so difficult about it? It's every bit as vague and poorly defined as any spec you're ever likely to be given - as a developer, it should be a very easy concept to deal with!
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Presumably it was lunch - maybe it is what they normally wear to work!
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My personal reading of "business casual" would be a button-down shirt, decent trousers (pants) - good jeans or more formal, and proper shoes (no sneakers).
A suit and/or tie is definitely not casual.
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last job I worked a while ago we had casual Fridays, jeans and a polo shirt were acceptable. After a while they gave us a company polos - so I wore them every day with khaki's Mon-Thu (and later others followed) and my own polo with jeans on Friday.
Occasionally the boss might mention for a first client meeting to wear "a shirt" - which was code for business pants and a long sleeve business shirt and a tie.
No jacket though - rare in Singapore except for directors, lawyers, all Japanese office workers and visitors who don't know any better - which is sensible in the heat here.
"Business casual" here is definitely no more then the company polo with khakis.
After Japan the place I see business jackets most worn is Aus (even more than UK/USA), and really no idea why they will even walk around in 40+ degree Melbourne dry heat wearing the damn things; yes I know they're a backwards lot but that's just insane.
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Unless I get parameters, I assume that just means not to wear flip flops and a &%@# You t-shirt.
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Sounds like you were correct, and they were wrong.
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Maybe "business casual" has different definitions from different decades.
Besides, if it's just a get-together with coworkers and no customer/client/prospect - who cares?
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You can never be over-dressed in these situations.
For me, I would step it up.
I'd wear a clean cut jeans (not everyday jeans), nice tucked in long sleeve shirt and nice shoes; optional a sport jacket or nice cardigan.
If I was in a business where a business suit was the norm, I'd step it down with, a nice pair of pants, shirt (no ties) and shoes.
I'd rather be phishing!
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We are supposed to be business casual. For me that means jeans and polo or t-shirt.
If what I wear is more important than the work that I do, then I'm at the wrong company.
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If you show up to a business casual event in a suit, just take off your pants, that will look casual and you'll get the business you deserve
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So, my idea of business casual is dress pants, belt, a nice shirt, no tie, and nice shoes. But if the event were during work hours any day but Friday, I'd likely show up in a suit, even if you told me business casual.
That's because I wear a suit 4 days a week and Friday is my "casual" day in which I wear a quality pair of jeans, dress shoes, button up long sleeve shirt, a jacket, and sometimes even a tie. Compared to some people I know, my casual day is more formal than their opinion of being dressed up. That is because of the customers I see on a day to day basis. I always need to look professional.
If it was stressed that I should not overdress because of whatever reason, I'd likely ditch the tie and jacket at my desk. Otherwise, I'm wearing a suit and making you feel awkward. 
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Depends on where you work, I suppose. "Busoness casual" is, following the usual usage of those terms, an oxymoron and thus undefined. And "undefined" means that it means whatever whoever runs the place means.
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For me it's jeans and T-shirts every day, regardless of their policy. It has been since I started work in 1983. Formal attire is when the T-shirt isn't stained. It just goes well with the pony tail and Snuffy Smith beard.
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