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Minion no. 5 wrote: Popular with non-programmers.
C# language is at the #6 position in that index, Java #1, Python #4... they are not programmers?
Tiobe Index is the most popular comparator of programming languages on the internet, it is cited by thousands of magazines and articles in many years.
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Yeah and we told you that their methodology doesn't mean the language is popular IN USE. The TIOBE index is based on search results for keywords. That in no way means the language is more popular in actual use.
Am I a hater of VB.NET? No. I started .NET developement in 2001 with VB.NET, using the command line compilers and Notepad. There was no Visual Studio .NET at the time as the .NET Framework was still a beta.
I can write code in COBOL (blah!), VB5, VB6, VB.NET, C#, C, C++, C++/CLI, Java, Javascript, VBScript, VBA, ...
It doesn't matter what the language is, the money I get for writing in it is still green.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: It doesn't matter what the language is, the money I get for writing in it is still green.
Big thumbs up on this!
I'll work in any language if someone wants to pay me to do it.
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He was saying the TIOBE Index you're shoving in everyone face is popular only with non-programmers.
Again, learn to read.
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And here I thought every grad student was learning VB.net from day one to graduation!
/...
Just kidding, they're actually only learning Javascript: the VB of the Web.
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georani wrote: VB.NET is like C# but a bit more verbose and almost like natural English, so anyone can understand VB.NET code.
I always say that's a terrible analogy as spoken language has many nuances that a reader can only understand if provided enough context. You can write something useful with a programming language within a few days or even hours--minutes in some cases. You need weeks, if not months or even years, to become proficient with a spoken language. If that's how VB.NET's defenders choose to extol its virtues, then they're starting off on the wrong foot.
I want my programming languages to clearly reflect the writer's intent without any guesswork. Comparing it with English is not how to sell a programming language to a developer. That's called dumbing it down to help those people not working in this field understand what's being discussed.
modified 14-Oct-18 10:01am.
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I know why this happened.
.net Core 2.1 was announced as supporting VB.
So a whole bunch of C# devs thought, that sounds call, I remeber VB. Lets spend a few hours seeing how amazing a programmer I am and do that application I have been doing for months in 1 day in VB.
10 minutes later.
Stack Overflow - how to error handle.
How do you create string.
Why is there no int64.
1 day later, 100 new questions asking "basic" questions because they have never been asked on stack overflow, with people answering and up voting on mass.
All this in 2 days.
So in comparison, VB.net questions went up 1000% fold (from 1 a month to 1000)
Where as c# questions on went up 1% (from 10,000 a month to 10,100)
Ah Maths.
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At home I use C# and C++\QT on my projects but, at work I am forced to use Visual Basic because, I work with domain computers that will not allow a compiler to be installed. In my office Access is king and we have custom programs written with Access 2016.
I can see why Visual Basic is not dead yet and keeps making progress.
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Are not the same crap nowdays?
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Finally, the World needs to be freed from the "power of Assembly with the readability of the Assembly" language, and it's derivatives.
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I agree; there is nothing wrong with VB.net. It's a good language; it has it's strengths and weaknesses, just like C# does.
They are not exactly equal in all situations, but close. When to choose one over the other, is mostly a personal preference.
the shop i work in now is only C#, which is fine, but i do miss some of VB.net features. the last one was VB.net and there were some features only in C# that would have been nice to have.
some may argue c# is cleaner than VB.net; once again it depends on who what writing the code. I've seen everything from trash to art in both these languages.
is one language quicker to develop with than the other? no not really.
will one language help you write less code? not really, unless you count "}" vs "end if".
is one easier to learn? from a noob standard, likely VB.net, but you will have to learn a bunch of C# on the way to read the documentation. if someone is experienced in a C style language then C# is likely to get them going quicker.
for all the VB.net haters out there, I've been in development now for 20+ years, I've seen a lot and learned a lot, and frankly language wars are stupid; just use the language that is correct for the situation and let others be.
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Matt McGuire wrote: there is nothing wrong with VB.net. It's a good language; it has it's strengths and weaknesses, just like C# does.
They are not exactly equal in all situations, but close. When to choose one over the other, is mostly a personal preference.
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for all the VB.net haters out there, I've been in development now for 20+ years, I've seen a lot and learned a lot, and frankly language wars are stupid; just use the language that is correct for the situation and let others be.
Wow!! Thank you
Some words of wisdom here finally
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georani wrote: Wow!! Thank you
Some words of wisdom here finally
Ah, the words from the person shoving the "language war" in everyone's face.
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My God! Amongst all the ill-informed, mis-information, and misguided hate, the light of reason and truth finally shines from behind the clouds of ignorance!!
It's truly sad that the loudest voices are usually the least informed or most blinded. Sadder yet that statement doesn't just apply to programming languages.
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As a long term VB classic and VB.Net developer I've found a few language features, such as Linq queries, that are easier to do in C#. But for just about everything else the extra verbosity of VB over C# actually makes the language easier to read. C# has a lot of "hidden" wire-ups, making it harder to understand. VB, on the other hand, puts most of those features directly in the source code that's normally seen.
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Not sure how they get this information but I know a couple hundred of programmers and not a single one of them uses VB if they have a choice. Not one. 99% of them don't use it at all. E.g. no one is forcing them to use it nor they are unlucky enough to have to deal with legacy code.
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It's great when everything is working, but let a hurricane take out your isp. It would help if they were more forthcoming about the damage and guestimated downtime. While these are not business critical apps, I still have to keep the affected clients informed and/or take other steps to get those apps working on a virtual server. (pita!) unfortunately I don't have a clue on the expected repair/recovery datetime.
That said, we took a pretty big hit with trees and power lines down. We were without power for 2.5 days. Our rental house took a large pine across the roof and has structural damage...meeting with insurance adjuster tomorrow. My house just lost some shingles and a piece of siding...out again today picking up debris.
I feel for those who had more substantial damage and are still without power. I salute the utility workers, first responders, and especially the volunteer disaster relief teams. My dad led a chainsaw team for many years, last deployed to Texas last year just a few months before losing the battle with cancer.
Thoughts going out to other cpians affected by Michael. (the hurricane)
Edit: My internet came back up Sunday afternoon so problem resolved. The wife and I spent the day taking a generator/gas/ice/food/tarps to family in one of the hardest hit areas. They are looking at probably more than a week until power is back. The destruction is unreal. I've seen my share of tornado and hurricane damage, but this is at another level. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
modified 14-Oct-18 20:37pm.
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M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I guess you were lucky to have only material damage, maybe a hosting provider in the Netherlands or somewhere else in Europe would be a safer bet, the weather here is not so extreme (yet)
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kmoorevs wrote: Thoughts going out to other cpians affected by Michael. (the hurricane)
Good thing you added "(the hurricane)".
My first thought was Michael (@michael-martin, the CPian) as I'm sure many CPians have been affected by him 
Good luck getting everything working again.
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It's 10 minutes into the 20th Anniversary of my little sisters death. Technically Melanoma kicked her arse 18:43 hours from now.
Some people, recently have told me I should get over shite and not hold on to stuff for so long. They can suck me big long fat one.
We butted heads like mountain goats and I hated her at times like nothing else but faarrrkkkk me sideways with a Giraffe I miss her unbelievably.
I'm off later today to an Irih Club and will drink myself into a stupor. Poor sad scared to drink poofs, don't want to hear your AA shite, just slit your throats and move on.
I may or may not have been drinking this Saturday night.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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We all go through pain, Mike. Hope you make it through this period safely. Sorry for you loss. ![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
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Neck one for me! ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Michael Martin wrote: Some people, recently have told me I should get over shite and not hold on to stuff for so long. They can suck me big long fat one.
Some stuff you "don't get over". That's not just for parents losing a child, or identical twins losing the other.
Michael Martin wrote: I'm off later today to an Irih Club and will drink myself into a stupor. Poor sad scared to drink poofs, don't want to hear your AA shite, just slit your throats and move on.
We're not all "anti"; some of us would not have been born if alcohol hadn't existed.
Best wishes, and try to stay relatively safe 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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