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Caveat I hate graphics - huge time consumers. There used to be a package called Designer back in the day (can't remember how long ago) that even a graphics Luddite like me could use with no experience at all. I think it got bought and "upgraded" to be totally unusable.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Well Mycroft,
it sounds like something like that could suffice for me.
I just want to draw basic diagrams, without all the nonsense of background software of trying to put it all on a PCB.
The Simpler the Better, Just basic drawing without having to study CAD.
I am not trying do design something aided by a computer, I am essentially trying to make a drawing. of a simple circuit, where the computer is my willing and unquestioning drawing board. Very much the same as that my paper does not refuse the ink. when I make a Bad Connection.
now I have plenty of XP computers off line to run stuff like this on
Regards 
Bram van Kampen
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Orcad used to be great. I don't know if it still is. There is Eagle also.
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Well,
Orcad is far to complicated for my purpose It logically links elements of the design. I do not want that!
Eagle is even more sophisticated, most certainly do not want That!
The software I am looking for would have Symbols, but would be largely agnostic to their meaning.
I just want to put a few symbols across the screen, and save or print it! As said, a sophisticated version of MS Paint!
No Networking of my design!!
Regards
Bram van Kampen
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Hi,
I've always done all of my diagrams with Visio. It is extremely simple to use and you can easily do diagrams of hardware/software and any generic logic flow.
There are dozens of alternatives to Visio[^] if your looking to go the free route.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Well,
I stay clear of anything to do with cloud storage. It is against my data protection religion.
Thanks and Regards,
Bram van Kampen
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Bram van Kampen wrote: would have Symbols, but would be largely agnostic to their meaning.
This intrigues me: could you elaborate ?
Do you require typical EE symbols: resistors, capacitors, inductors, IC's, diodes, transformers, etc. ? Do you need "smart connectors" that lock onto shapes and re-route when you drag symbols around ?
cheers, Bill
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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Well,
First of all, Thanks for your reply.
I require EE like symbols as a Library of all those things, as free to position and rotate pictorial drawing objects, but, without any further logical connection! I do in particular not want 'Smart Connectors'. I want absolutely No re-routing when I drag symbols about! I want to do that Myself, By Hand! I do not want logical analysis of the circuit, I do not plan to export same to a PCB design!
The Wiring between the elements should have no logical implications for the design, but, should just comprise of lines to complete the visual picture, in a Human Readable Form, particularly when printed. I also want to be able to include such picture in a Document by way of illustration. Any picture format would do.
All I want is a sort of MsPaint on Steriods, where I can get a Realistic Print Preview.
Kind Regards,
Bram van Kampen
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: Caveat I hate graphics - huge time consumers.
Face it. It's time to retire your Altair and move on to something more modern.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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I usually draw diagrams in Word.
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Hi,
I have open Office! How do you do it in MsWord?
Regards,
Bram
Bram van Kampen
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This is what I do and you can try it easy and free.
Goto Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange[^]
Click any question
Go to bottom where you can answer question (your not going to save so it is OK)
Click the 7th icon in the "toolbar" of the answer question area. It's a pencil with a resistor looking thing.
Its schematic editor and it is absolutely easy to use. Add your electrical components and they connect very easily.
Works so great and you can even get a subscription to the tool.
Try it and let me know.
I guess that built-in editor is Online circuit simulator & schematic editor - CircuitLab[^]
I was amazed at how intuitive & easy it is to use.
modified 13-Feb-18 22:14pm.
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Wow: that takes me back to boyhood experiments in DIY electronics' projects, etching my own PCB boards, building HeathKits, etc.
In the 1950's ... before transistors, before the brilliant mind [*] of Raddevus even had a body
Bill, the past-use-by-date antique 
[*] No irony here: this is said with total sincerity; I'm smart enough to know very smart people when I see them !
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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 Thanks very much. That means a lot to me coming from someone with so much experience.
That schematic tool is really very cool. To me, it is the way software should be -- easy to use and guides you toward more professional use.
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raddevus wrote: lick the 7th icon in the "toolbar" of the answer question area. It's a pencil with a resistor looking thing.
That's pretty cool!
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Dia[^] is a fairly simple diagram editor. You may need to install some additional shapes[^] for electrical diagrams.
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Clickety[^]. I have used both FREE apps InkScape & Dia little bit (but not for electrical diagrams)
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Try Dia[^] it includes electrical and electronic shapes.
Don't let your mind wander too far.
It's too small to be let out alone.
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wasn't much going on here, I went in for a routine colonoscopy.Thankfully the anesthesia worked this time, last time I woke up just as things were getting started, so I felt everything and also got to watch it on the big screen. I don't recommend doing it that way!
Regards,
Walt
Then came home and found out my entire PhD committee will probably have to be replaced!
Hope I don't have to start everything all over again!i WONDER IF THAT WOULD BE WORSE THAN A COLONOSCOPY?
Regards,
WaLT
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Walt Fair, Jr. wrote: I went in for a routine colonoscopy.Thankfully the anesthesia worked this time, last time I woke up just as things were getting started, so I felt everything and also got to watch it on the big screen. I don't recommend doing it that way!
 Personally, I'd rather just die.
Jeremy Falcon
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Well, not catching colon cancer early will suck worse. But, having had two of these dastardly procedures, it's the prep that is the worst part.
What's worse? Well, I just had a tooth pulled, just local, and I made the mistake of opening my eyes as the dentist went in with the pliers. Didn't hurt, but all of the horror movies and cartoons of teeth being pulled flashed through my head.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: catching colon cancer
There's an easy solution to that. Just do what I did and have your colon removed. If you can get colon cancer without a colon then you should also play the lottery.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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