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W∴ Balboos wrote: or have good stuff on the outside (such as StarBucks)
huh? Starbucks is not in the vocabulary of people that enjoy coffee.
No wait, let me rephrase that: Starbucks is not in the vocabulary of people that enjoy coffee.
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Lopatir wrote:
No wait, let me rephrase that: Starbucks is not in the vocabulary of people that enjoy coffee.
I don't get this. Admittedly, I'm not a coffee drinker, but, my wife is and she loves Starbucks. I often hear people bag on Starbucks. What about them do you dislike?
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We like and dislike them for the same reasons than McDonalds : Their stuff might taste well and is the same in every part of the world, but it is not coffee, as McDonalds is not food.
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I drink my coffee black, no sugar.
starbucks long black (or whatever name they're using these days) tastes like crap, total utter crap.
now this is the same stuff they use in their other drinks, except those are loaded with all sorts of condiments and flavours, milk, cinnamon, 10 different types of sugar, pumpkin, radish and who knows what else.
just like 2 year old kids, anything tastes great if you add enough sugar and/or other sweet crap to it. Yes, that's all they are doing, putting sugar on sh*t and feeding it to you.
Also:
Here in Singapore I can get a 'local coffee' for $1, and it tates great - local cheap Indonesian ground coffee suspended in a double muslin cloth bag in hot water - it tastes fine. I get table service too, $1.00!
or I can pay $6 last time I looked (years ago, probably getting close to $10) at starbucks, for 'selected blended child and slave labour free Kenyan coffee beans' and it tastes awful. I have to queue up for that too. It is the worse coffee ever, even mcdonalds does it better.
Summary: As a coffee purist (black and none), starbucks is a complete flavour fail, and a rip off to boot, not just 'a little more for the brand,' it's an utter gouge of peoples stupidity.
Like paying the price of a brand new AMG merc and getting a 40 year old Trabant: not exaggerating it tastes that bad and is that much over priced.
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Try the starbucks blonde coffee (i forget what it's called). Run in, order a tall blonde coffee and say it's because you like your coffee like you like your women. The barista will roll their eyes like they've heard it 1000 times before, but i assure you, they are laughing on the inside. But typically i agree that drinking the regular starbucks coffee...it taste like it was strained through an old boot and mixed with tar.
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Similar story from the past. Small company vs. large company. McDharma's vs. McDonald's for having Mc in the name. Small company McDharma's did not win.
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Straight up black with nothing added. Easy! No muss, no fuss. 
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No sugar and with lots of milk.
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I drink it crystal clear, unsweetened and without milk. Very much like this.[^], if at all .
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Irish, with whipped cream please 
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Unfortunately, they don't have whiskey or whipped cream at work. 
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So how happy would everyone be if you brought some into the office tomorrow? And don't forget the chocolate sprinkles!
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Morning - instant coffee with milk and sweetener.
After lunch - black Turkish coffee with sugar.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: lack Turkish coffee with sugar.
Still the only way I can tolerate sweetened coffee.
For over a decade, whilst in a different office, I drank 'mud coffee' - but w/o sugar. Usually, latin-roast (darker than US under-cooked standard).
For the morning instant: do you mix w/sugar and a touch of water, stirring until frothy, or just dump in the water and down-the-hatch?
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Down-the-hatch, unfortunately. My morning coffee is a stimulant, not for pleasure. 
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Intravenously.
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I mix some instant in this: [^]
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Two cups of light roast, you lose caffeine the darker you roast the beans. A bit of cream to reduce the acidity, seeing my dad pay for his two pot a day habit later in life. Perhaps a little sugar depending on my mood.
Weekends I usually have an espresso, one cube of sugar on the side.
Late night coffee? Irish.
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If you measure your coffee by scoops, light roasted coffee will have more caffeine. Since the beans are denser than a darker roast. However if you weigh out your scoops, darker roasts will have more caffeine, because there is less mass.
So - per pound, apparently, it's a wash. The solution, then for scoop users, is to just use more, or drink more, or both.RJOberg wrote: my dad pay for his two pot a day habit later in life.
How So?
The current wisdom is that coffee is primarily beneficial (although that could change any time, and then change back). Might I add the caution that if he did coffee-and-a-cigarette, it falls into the "why" of many earlier studies which didn't deconvolute the effects of smoking from coffee drinking.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: So - per pound, apparently, it's a wash. The solution, then for scoop users, is to just use more, or drink more, or both.
I use a scoop. That is interesting to learn though, sort of mirrors my experience with baking. For dry goods such as flour, American recipes tend to use volume, i.e. 1 cup. British and European recipes usually have it by weight. Weight is more accurate because flour will settle and 1 cup sifted is not the same as 1 cup unsifted after it has had some time to settle.
W∴ Balboos wrote: The current wisdom is that coffee is primarily beneficial
For many things yes, however we're talking decades of abusing it. So a lot of heartburn which lead to GERD. So coffee causes a more acidic environment and in his case, pain. On the other hand, I've kept myself in a better state of health than him so I likely don't have to worry.
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RJOberg wrote: o coffee causes a more acidic environment
Yes, but not directly.
It stimulates digestive juices. The acidity of your stomach, 0.1 M Hydrochloric Acid, is not matched by any food. It's pH is 1. Even vinegar has a pH of 2.4 (5%, like in a bottle of edible vinegar). This makes stomach acid 25 times more acidic than vinegar. Coffee hardly registers in that realm.
That being said, stimulating the juices, constantly, can cause the stomach acids to flow when you stomach hasn't finished protecting itself (prostaglandin 1, also, inhibited by aspirin, etc.).
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Heretic alert: I take mine in the form of Diet Coke.
Coffee is an odd thing for me. Smells great walking down the coffee aisle of the grocery store; tastes foul every time I've tried it. All I ever get is a burned taste.
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There's no account for taste - but I mean that literally.
Out of no where, as a child, I found the taste/smell of eggs intolerable and milk undrinkable. This came to be from one day to the next. I actually found someone else, once, who had the same thing happen. Some biological switch, I suppose.
No allergies to these items - just inedible/undrinkable for no apparent reason. Cakes, cookies, cheese, yogurt, etc. are fine, even scrumptious. I've heard there are even "people" who don't like chocolate!
Hopefully, you can enjoy coffee ice-cream.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Hopefully, you can enjoy coffee ice-cream.
Lactose intolerant. I do like lemon sorbet, though. Try to avoid the refined sugars as much as possible, so I rarely eat desserts. My true carb weakness is Doritos...
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