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MikeD 2 wrote: Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them?
No, the contract is between the advertiser and the broadcaster.
The broadcaster is obliged to play them but I am not obliged to endure them.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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PeejayAdams wrote: but I am not obliged to endure them.
Why not? Isn't the owner of the site stating that if you want to use my site you need to watch ads? It's an implicit contract?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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011111100010 wrote: Why not? Isn't the owner of the site stating that if you want to use my site you need to watch ads? It's an implicit contract?
(Please note my answer is based on English law)
1) If I am merely browsing the site there is no contract. A contract does not exist without what is known as a consideration - generally, this involves some kind of exchange of goods, services or money.
2) Where there is a contract (e.g. on a subscription site), the provider could, if he so wished, insist on my accepting advertisements. There is a concept known as "incorporation" which dictates that any condition would have to be upfront and clearly part of the deal - not merely one parties unstated intent or something hidden from sight.
3) If I accept all of this and breach the contract by using an ad-blocker the provider could possibly sue me for breach of contract but he'd need to demonstrate a loss of earnings before he can seek that remedy. If the provider is selling adds on a pay-per-serve basis he has lost nothing. If he's on some other plan, he maybe has done but it's not generally advisable to sue people for a couple of pennies. So in reality, even if the contract does exist, it's not practically enforcable on that point. (That's a legal position not a moral one).
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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I wasn't meaning it in a literal legal sense. The internet is still too young for there to be much law regarding it. Someday, I fear, it may be though.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The MVPS hosts file is all I use, and rarely see ads. They were initially supressed due to the chance of malicious content, and the fact that the distributors often do not take any responsibility for any damage it causes.
Now I'm starting to understand that one's mind is limited, and that one cannot remember everything. That means that ads are stealing my brain-capacity without me ever consenting to that.
..and there's a rather large industry dedicated to that, lots of money is being poured into ads. Not even to generate more money, it's just to keep marketshare.
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I use an adblocker - uBlock - and it's default is "no ads."
If the content is worthwhile, I'll add a site to the whitelist - CodeProject for example.
But ... too many of them are AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.contentAD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD.AD and I don't see why I should bother to hunt for the tiny bit of relevancy.
And when a site says "you're using an adblocker, you can't come in unless you disable it" Then I bugger off - chances are they don't give a sod about content, and there are loads of other sites that do.
MikeD 2 wrote: Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them?
No. Why should I waste my time?
MikeD 2 wrote: how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?
Oh yes. I certainly do!
If you want me to visit your site, then let me see what I'm getting and decide if it's worthwhile. Discrete, appropriate, non intrusive ads are fine, but too many sites just plaster anything all over the page and make it obvious that ad revenue is the only reason for the site existing.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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MikeD 2 wrote: how many of you block ads?
That's impossible to answer, but I do what I can to block them.
MikeD 2 wrote:
I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave...
I've never had one regret by leaving a site and not looking back. There's not one site in existence that my life depends on.
MikeD 2 wrote:
I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file.
Same here. I'm sitting at around 121 lines.
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If we all block all ads then who is going to pay for the internet services that we all expect for free?
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If you're a business and your only source of revenue is advertisements then you're business plan is horrible and your business is more likely to fail. There is a reason that successful businesses do not rely on one source of income.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Agreed, but that is a totally different issue.
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I know. When you're starting off, ads may be your only source of revenue. If websites didn't take such a lazy approach to ad curation, e.g. Google AdSense, and strategically place ads relevant to their audience, I would assume that Ad-Blocking wouldn't really be a thing. One of the things that really pushed me over to the block-by-default crowd started with weather websites that put an ad before every video, which for fluff pieces is acceptable, but when your searching for time-critical updates on a tornado encroaching on your area, a minute long advert on the latest pill or drug is very irritating (and possibly life-threatening).
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Foothill wrote: If you're a business and your only source of revenue is advertisements
Well, there was this one company, named google. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Google isn't in the advertising business, they are in the real-estate business. It just happens that the real-estate they sell is space on a very popular web-page. They do not make the ads, they sell the spot they go on which is much more lucrative.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Foothill wrote: Google isn't in the advertising business,
Foothill wrote: They do not make the ads, they sell the spot they go on which is much more lucrative.
Exactly!
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I'd unblock ads, if we could guarantee that they were all static images, with no flashing or annoying animation, and no scripts. No video or audio; no popups/popunders; no redirecting to malware or tech-support scams; no cryptocurrency mining; no tracking my every move across the Internet.
Unfortunately, I suspect the horse has already bolted. There have been too many cases of even the best behaved ad networks being compromised and tricked into showing malvertising. No matter what promises they make, I'm unlikely to ever trust them enough to turn the ads back on.
Something like Brave[^] seems like a promising alternative.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I just wish the sites wouldn't show me ads for the stuff I have just elephanting bought! Yes, I was interested in those neat little fold up glasses, but I bought 4 pairs and I think I don't need to see adverts for them any more!
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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If you can see those ads you do not need them glasses!
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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And no pictures of people or animals.
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I go further than just blocking ads. I use an Ad-Blocker, Ghostery, No-Script (on Firefox), with an HTML5 Auto-Play Disabler. When it comes to websites with an Ad-Blocker wall, if I really want to see, I use a small program that I wrote to perform an HTTP GET request and displays it's pure text return. More often then not, the content I want is in the response buried along with a thousand lines of anti-ad-blocking javascript.
If this advertiser<>ad-blocker war continues to escalate, I might consider writing a very light weight web browser of my own that parses out everything but text content with the option of downloading images with a click.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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I wonder if this[^] still works in Windows 10? 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I wish that the HTML document specification remained simple enough to display web pages in a console. Alas, that is not the case. It seems like everything, including the kitchen sink, has been thrown into web pages.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Foothill wrote: everything, including the kitchen sink, has been thrown into web pages.
Well, we needed somewhere to wash up status code 418[^].
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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With the IoT, I wouldn't be surprised if we see an extension to that joke such as:
419 I'm a refrigerator
432 I'm a light-bulb
455 I'm a vacuum cleaner
etc....
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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MikeD 2 wrote: My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot
Let's consider the alternative.
So you give in and accept the ads to view the site. OK - now you've set a precedent. If that worked, next it will be "you must accept doubleclick cookies to view this site".
I even block pixel graphics - really everything - and have an extremely small list of exceptions (like two) for certain special circumstances - although it's not ads but popups.
Just this past weekend I was on the phone to "Goldman-Sacks" because there new website, "Marcus" insists I accept third party cookies and has other privacy violations. They pretended to be interested. I just noted that I didn't open an account their to begin with: they bought out a different online bank, and, although not skillions of dollars, I'll move my money long before I drop my privacy - and asked "how the hell" can a financial institution "upgrade" it's website so as to compromise my privacy ? I doubt they'll get back to me.
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