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Yes, but process could be better. I ended up with a fresh win 10 install. Then used the Zamyl universal template then I fixed each problem just to run an empty project. Was painful but eventually got through it. Good part of the problem is Different Nugett packages and then updates from his Xammer in. It's worth the effort though once you get a good stable install working in all platforms we care about, you literally have one C-sharp CodeBase. Used stackoverflow a lot. Product has come so far since it's mono days. Except for the installation issues that really is a mature good product
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So yesterday a child was forgotten in a forest by the responsibles for a child camp[^] who organized some activities there. This is now going to be a big bashing about how bad these people were, not even able to count the number of children placed under their responsibility and take care of them, aso...
This is precisely why I hate our society. Everything HAS to be perfect. Even more perfect because children are involved. No error allowed.
So okay, they made a mistake, and a 3-year-old has been left alone for 7 hours. But statistically, in France, millions of children are put under other people's responsibility every day (teachers, sports trainer, child care, etc...), which make billion of billions of opportunities every year to have one left alone or forgotten somewhere. So ONE left alone every other year makes a failure rate of less than 0.0000001 ppm, which is close to nothing.
The child is safe. Move on!
But I know what is going to happen : people getting fired, new laws about children care and rules and procedures, bla bla bla.... This is just plain sick. I hate it before it even started to happen.
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In my day he would have been taken in by a family of wolves, befriended a bear and a panther, escaped a snake, been captured by monkeys and fought a tiger before being lured back to his village by some singing water fetching person.
Times have changed.
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Bare necessities -- ta tam ta tam ta ta ta tam --
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In my time, he and his brother would have been adopted by wolves and founded an empire.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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But you tell that to young folks nowadays, and they don't believe you!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: he would have been taken in by a family of wolves, befriended a bear and a panther, escaped a snake, been captured by monkeys and fought a tiger before being lured back to his village by some singing water fetching person.
Isn't that the story of The Jungle Book? 
Cheers,
विक्रम
"We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread 
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That is sheer Khan coincidence
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You Euros! Socialists all! 
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Hang on there, I think we always would have come down heavily on any children's organisation that was this irresponsible. OK, I was nearly drowned in an old mine shaft by a benedectine monk as a kid but I wasnt left behind! 
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Munchies_Matt wrote: I was nearly drowned in an old mine shaft by a benedectine monk as a kid
There are worse things a catholic clergyman could have done... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Amen.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Er, well, yes, there was one who didnt take us out on irresponsible field trips to old tin mines who was later investigated....
(After my time that was though, when I was there it was the music teacher. Word on the street was you dont want a one on one lesson...)
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Perhaps what he's describing is some sort of euphemism.
Suddenly I'm a little uncomfortable.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: OK, I was nearly drowned in an old mine shaft by a benedectine monk as a kid but I wasnt left behind!
They did not want to leave evidences...
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Rage wrote: a failure rate of less than 0.0000001 ppm, which is close to nothing.
Yeah. Right. Until it's your child who's left behind.
So - Rage wrote: Everything HAS to be perfect. Even more perfect because children are involved. No error allowed.
Perhaps perfection will not be achieved - but giving up and leaving things at mediocrity is a pretty ridiculous approach.
Hey - why debug software? - there will always be mistakes - so just stop making a big deal.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Until it's your child who's left behind
You cannot be objective when you are involved.
W∴ Balboos wrote: leaving things at mediocrity is a pretty ridiculous approach
Mediocrity ? There is a world between leaving out a child every other billion times, and leaving them out every time. In the first case, I would not talk about mediocrity.
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Rage wrote: There is a world between leaving out a child every other billion times,
The stats used give a big number - but it's actually not relevant to the argument.
If keeping track of the children is too difficult in France (or the EU, in general?), then perhaps you've enough extras to pick up the slack. Don't worry about the occasional murder, either.
Consider that hundreds of millions of people go out every day and even if you murder a hundred, it's one chance in a million. Why waste the resources. In fact, expanded to the annual rate, as you've done, and it comes out to about the same stats.
Well - that's one way to cut the law enforcement budget! Damn nanny state. If you can't afford kevlar and body armor, that's a chance you'll have take upon yourself.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: If keeping track of the children is too difficult in France (or the EU, in general?),
 About every week some moron parent or caregiver leaves an infant in a sweltering car here in the US.
...but sure let's single out France.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Besides the original subject country being France, many EU laws now are continent-wide. But, if you'll note the sarcasm* throughout the response, it would disturb you less.
We all know that those children are actually used as feed at the escargot hatcheries.
* Proverbs 26:5
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I think he's just trolling now!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Perhaps perfection will not be achieved - but giving up and leaving things at mediocrity is a pretty ridiculous approach.
To the OP's point, though, the idea that mistakes can be legislated out of existence is naive at best, and oppressive at worst.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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They lost 6.25% of the very young children in their care, and didn't notice until hours later when the parents came to pick up their missing toddler.
If you're paid to look after children, and you fail to notice when 1/16th of them go missing, then you're clearly not fit to do your job.
It's not about a magic bullet to stop mistakes from being made. It's about making sure that you don't leave your children in the care of people who are dangerously unfit to look after them.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Damn! I'd almost forgotten about 'no child left behind'. Thanks for reminding me. Funny, neither candidate (here in US) has even mentioned this failing program.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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