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Sander Rossel wrote: should be camelCased
Sander Rossel wrote: should use string.Empty
The universe does not care. The compiler does not care. I usually also don't care.
But then Mr. Knowitall pops up and tells you what you should do. 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Good programmers DO care about their code, guidelines and best practices though
The camelCasing is just a preference (although widely accepted), I agree.
But using string.Empty instead of "" is actually a useful memory optimization!
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Sander Rossel wrote: But using string.Empty instead of "" is actually a useful memory optimization!
The compiler actually deals with that automatically, as I have heard. If not, giving the compiler a little help to do it right is absolutely fine, as long as you know why you are doing this.
The only thing I don't like is cargo cult[^] programmers. Their list of rules and conventions is miles long and constantly growing and they can recite any of them at any time. They also never have a clue why they are doing this.
"Guru XXX said so."
"So what? He says a lot."
"It's a design pattern."
"Singleton? Some actually think it's an antipattern. Don't you have some nice rules about globals?"
"Then it must be a convention!"
"A convention that regulates a question of architecture? Who made that convention for us?"
I have really had that conversation. You can easily convince me of almost anything (even using global variables or goto) if you can give me a good reason, but please spare me your personal bible of rules and conventions.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Completely agreed with you on that one. 
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CDP1802 wrote: You can easily convince me of almost anything (even using global variables or goto) if you can give me a good reason, but please spare me your personal bible of rules and conventions.
100% with you on that.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Actually there is no such optimization...
This:
string s1 = "";
string s2 = string.Empty;
Will compile to this:
IL_0001: ldstr ""
IL_0006: stloc.0
IL_0007: ldsfld string [mscorlib]System.String::Empty
IL_000c: stloc.1
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Too bad. It would have been really useful. What does the disassembly after the JIT is finished look like?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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There you go!
string s1 = ""
00352D49 mov eax,dword ptr ds:[32522C0h]
00352D4F mov dword ptr [ebp-40h],eax
string s2 = string.Empty
00352D52 mov eax,dword ptr ds:[32522C0h]
00352D58 mov dword ptr [ebp-44h],eax
However it would be time-saving to optimize it while compiling...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Well, at least we have this. Now I wonder if that also works with any string constant you define and literal strings.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Strings (constants) has a queue (poll?) to save space...
IL_0001: ldstr "CDP1802"
IL_0006: stloc.0
IL_0007: ldstr "CDP1802"
IL_000c: stloc.1
string s1 = "CDP1802"
001D2DD1 mov eax,dword ptr ds:[30D232Ch]
001D2DD7 mov dword ptr [ebp-40h],eax
string s2 = "CDP1802"
001D2DDA mov eax,dword ptr ds:[30D232Ch]
001D2DE0 mov dword ptr [ebp-44h],eax
Still a JIT optimization...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Still a JIT optimization...
That makes sense, like the old C/C++ compilers, it strips away all high level language features and cuts some corners.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Yeah, I'm totally with you.
Throughout my career I've worked with people who thought all code should look the same no matter who wrote it.
(Real life) example:
"We don't do interfaces here."
"But... That's just good and common practice!"
"All code must look the same so you can't just go and make an interface because we will know you wrote it."
I'm all for change and discussion.
If something is good let's do it, if something is not then don't.
That's how we can learn from each other.
I think the best argument for guidelines is that some programmers aren't all that great and make the worst code ever if they don't have some guidelines.
We have the guideline "functions can't be over 20 lines", an arbitrary number, to prevent people from writing 1000 line functions (yes, literally) 
Our code improved since we talked about it and agreed on the guideline (they're still larger than 20, but at least not 1000) 
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Of course we can't all simply do what we like if we want our work to fit together, but no bloated rulebook with (literally) hundreds of 'rules' and 'conventions' for and against everything, plus 'code reviews' which do little more than nitpicking over these rules (with different interpretations of the rules, depending on the reviewer) and endless discussions about some new rules which someone wants to add, just to cover some more special cases.
I have been in a place where they really went overboard with this and we were going nowhere mighty fast. Despite all the time and work put into this, the code was still as disfunctional as before. There were too many fundamental flaws that no obscession with 'cosmetics' could ever solve. As if lipstick on a pig ever solved anything.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: As if lipstick on a pig ever solved anything.
So long in business and don't know yet, that you should use silk on a monkey?
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Sander Rossel wrote: But using string.Empty instead of "" is actually a useful memory optimization!
If it were the case, I'd prefer to waste some memory and have readable code.
Your brain processes "" faster than string.Empty.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Sander Rossel wrote: But using string.Empty instead of "" is actually a useful memory optimization!
It does not have effect on memory consumption due to string interning.
The main reason I use string.Empty is that var foo = "" looks ugly to me.
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Yeah, but "" still needs to create an object, while string.Empty doesn't.
At least that's what I always understood
Anyway, the gain, if any, is negligible.
I prefer string.Empty, because that's what I've been taught and because Microsoft recommend(ed?) it
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Strictly speaking, you're right, the line obviously can lead to that exception, but ultimately the problem lies with whatever other lines of code that follow (and you've omitted) that blindly assumes the string wasn't empty.
Or are you claiming the exception is thrown on the assignment itself?  In which case, yeah, time to take VS behind the tool shed with a shotgun...
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VS says the exception occurs on that line. About a million times. Well, every time that function gets called, anyway.
Code following it is just an if/else, do THIS if it's not empty, do THAT if it is. (I don't have the actual code handy...it's at home, and I'm at work.)
The program works as expected, if I tell it to ignore those exceptions, of course. (Which is the default, apparently, in VS. I guess they already know it's bogus.  )
The only reason I even knew about it was the continuous line of little red diamonds in the running monitor (whatever it's really called. The part that shows memory use, etc.)
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Was more of a TV Flash news when the election winner was announced. But it has taken its time to come around & hit the target somewhere else that nobody predicted it would happen so soon.
Now some of my friends are becoming victims of these[^]
May be Trump should have done a more balanced schemes than affecting so many families in India all of a sudden. 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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And our blatantly lying IT Minister : Job losses in IT sector are exaggerated: Prasad | Business Standard News[^]
Layoffs are being processed on the name of 'newer technologies'. Unfortunately,here in India,90% people doesn't know as to why new tech should be used/implemented. Every company needs a 'superman'.
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning
modified 24-May-17 2:02am.
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Bit soapbox but I'll bite:
"Indians do not steal jobs, but rather create new jobs. Indian IT companies have created as many 400,000 jobs abroad..."
that's the people needed people to fix the shite these guys put out...
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We didn't need to hire to fix the made-in-India software. It was tossed out for the junk it was.
Then they got more (there's a special depth in hell for management) - and that took months to make even usable (not my job, this time).
One of the problems: all the "textbook quality" development is just that. So in the real world it falls flat because textbook solutions are only idealized. And they can be created by another application, anyway - so the drones aren't needed.
This is not to say there are no good excellent developers in India! But when you outsource to a mill you get mill-work.
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Yeah I am sorry, but a disagree. STRONGLY!
The indian low cost outsourcing triggered a race to the bottom.
I don't know how it is in the US, but here in Canada there are many indian companies with a small sales office in Canada and a huge development team in India.
These guys dump on the IT market first and then do not deliver. I get routinely spammed by them with some offers about 3 to 6 months contracts to fix their crap.
I want them all, those companies to go away. Good riddance.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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