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You can't work out why any of your breakpoints are being hit.
...until 10 minutes later you realise you haven't attached the debugger.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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There's a debugger?  Why does nobody tell me these things?!
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: There's a debugger? Why does nobody tell me these things?!
Because you've never posted in QA? 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Is that what I had to do?
Wait here, I'll be right back...
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Oh, done that! 
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Did you mean these? Defining Breakpoints | Responsive Web Design[^]. I'm getting old.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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You are really tired when you wake up in front of your display and see your code moving upwards because you are holding cursor down key pressed and you think: "Sh#$, what was I doing?".
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And you know Visual Studio is tired when you're in the debugger and it doesn't break at a breakpoint.
Toggle breakpoint, it works again!
Or, failing that, restart Visual Studio and it works again!
Marc
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Had you said 2 minutes or even 5 minutes, I'd have gone with it. But, 10 minutes? That's just age catching up, Chris. 
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Why I oughta... /shakes hand and waves walking stick
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Or that the code has redirected from the dev server to the production servers, so no break points either.
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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I have been tasked with researching TFS for use at my company. I know little to nothing about it. Can you guys recommend a decent book for setup and administration of TFS?
Thanks
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Kevin Marois wrote: Can you guys recommend a decent book for setup and administration of TFS?
Here 
In other words, avoid TFS if possible.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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So you DON'T have an answer then?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Kevin Marois wrote: So you DON'T have an answer then?
Correct. We have a wonderful woman at work that took TFS training. Just yesterday, we asked her why one of our devs wasn't seeing my latest code commit. After some fussing, she suggested restarting Visual Studio and doing a "get latest" again. Yup, that solved the problem.
She actually is incredibly knowledgeable about TFS, this was one of those "tool flukes."
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Ya, but ALL tools have some issues. I've used TFS before, and aside from it's hideous web UI, the source control portion VS integration seems to work OK.
Any concrete reasons to NOT use it?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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Kevin Marois wrote: Any concrete reasons to NOT use it?
Compared to tools like SmartGitHg, the UI is incredibly klunky. OK, granted it integrates with the task management / work ID BS that the company uses, which is more incredibly klunky UI implementation, and nobody uses it anyways except to create work ID's and supposedly track amount of work done on a task, which nobody keeps up to date anyways.
So, yeah, there again, I'm complaining more about processes than the tool itself. But still, the UI and UX is so much more inferior than what I experience using SmartGitHg.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Kevin Marois wrote: a, but ALL tools have some issues. I've used TFS before, and aside from it's hideous web UI, the source control portion VS integration seems to work OK.
Any concrete reasons to NOT use it?
Hi Kevin,
No, there are no concrete reasons NOT to use the thing. TFS works fine. Like any complex system it requires some administration. You're going to get the same response from the development community that you'll get any time you ask them what the best text-editor or compiler is. The latest "fad" among developers for this kind of thing is GIT. You're probably in a shop that has TFS and all the cute answers telling you to switch to GIT are as productive as all the "switch to Linux" crap. All you asked for was books on the subject.
Go to APress.COM and search the titles there. You'll find several pertaining to TFS so you can learn what you need to know.
[http://www.apress.com/us/search?query=tfs]
-CM
If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair
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Slacker007 wrote: TFS is much better now.
The fact that there's no stand-alone tool for checking in/out code, the VS UI's (I'm usually spending minutes fussing with the include/exclude trees) sucks, and, while not TFS's problem per se, our network and the server hosting TFS is so slow that it can literally take a couple minutes to add a file to a solution. And "Get Latest?" That's usually a couple walks around the facility and it might be done when you get back if you're lucky.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Marc Clifton wrote: our network and the server hosting TFS is so slow
there you go.
Marc Clifton wrote: ussing with the include/exclude trees
I agree, but I am used to it now.
Bitbucket with Tortoise for Git is still my choice.
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These are all issues with your setup. Where I work, a couple of minutes is how long it takes me to get the entirety of our main project -- a million lines of source code spread across a few hundred files.
And there is a standalone tool (Team Explorer Everywhere). I chased it down when I was doing Linux development on some of our C# code. It's not very friendly, but it's there. I ended up not using it.
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patbob wrote: And there is a standalone tool
I remember reading about it and that it possibly was not compatible with whatever setup we're using. And yes, it did not look very friendly.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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