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With respect to the Hoare quote: If you build a system out of perfect parts, you are not guaranteed a perfect system but there is hope. If you build your system out of defective parts, you are guaranteed a defective system and there is no hope. Tom Walton.
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There are no guarantees in life except death.
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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Following a forum thread I create on the Blizzard\Diablo forum here is some reflection / soul searching I had on public forums.
- There are some people who take pleasure on putting people down. Whether they are right or wrong having a conversation with them is pointless... Since all they would say is something along the lines "you are wrong here stupid sh*t" don't expect any useful information.... They are quite... demoralizing...
- There are some people who take pleasure in taking people up, they will say "you should do this or that instead" or ask questions
- I was thinking about this (misguided) desire / pull to reply to those... unhelpful people... It seems like a total evolutionary failure, to get dragged into angry name calling... (since when they start their insult, the conversation can go nowhere but down from there...) But then I thought about politician. A more politician get talk time the more successful (s)he is. If you ask or have ... difficult question for her/him, (s)he will just pretend to answer it and go on on a pet topic... I guess the same could be done with a toxic post. If there is a desire / need to reply, one can (easily) recognize that this conversation is gonna go nowhere fast and instead .... mmm... not get dragged in an attempt at (intelligent) conversation anyway....
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Interesting, I'm doing some research into a totally unrelated field. Having just acquired a pond in the lovely tropical far north Queensland I'm looking into populating it with mosquito eating fish. Interestingly there are actually such creatures that you can buy, I hope.
Apparently coy/carp are lazy bastards and will not bother chasing anything more mobile than moss and weeds.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mosquito Control - Ausyfish[^]
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Hey, I see what you did there Mycroft! 
Not sure I will vote for you (yet) though... 
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Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I really got to know myself, and my surroundings, when I first went on the internet.
Apparently I'm not a nice person and I'm not very smart either.
My mother appears to be a cheating slut. It seems gaming teenagers turn her on.
It also seems everyone knows where I live, it's almost like I'm in the Truman show! I'm still looking into that, it freaks me out.
Thanks to all those nice people on the internet for pointing this out to me.
I will work hard to better myself so maybe one day we can all be friends 
That said, I don't recognize your experiences at all
By the way, don't think CP is that much better. I remember writing an article once that, I admit now, was sh*t.
Some CP members (I think 100000+ rep!) really put me down, going into name calling and what have you.
Knowing I could learn from these members (technically, obviously not socially) I thanked them for their comments and asked them if they could point me in the right direction.
My first attempt was met with more hostility.
My second attempt was more successful and I actually got some nice articles (although they weren't given to me nicely).
Nevertheless, I learned a lot that day
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Congratulation for going through battlefield successfully!
What do you call "the second attempt"?
In my case the critic, which might know very well how to exploit a special game mode that I didn't quite describe successfully consistently almost verbatim said such things as: "you are wrong" "no, no, no" "shut up when you don't know" "where to start debunking this whole horseshit bag" but DIDN'T provide A SINGLE helpful clue. TWICE.
One wonder if he knew himself about it, and just like to critic? But looking at his profile I could see that he knew, just didn't felt like explaining. Just pointing out I was wrong!
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Super Lloyd wrote: What do you call "the second attempt"?
CP member: Your article is bad and you should feel bad! (I'm rephrasing it nice).
Me: Thanks for your feedback, could you perhaps elaborate on what's wrong with my article? (First attempt.)
CP member: You are dumb and you will never learn and you should feel bad! (Something like that).
Me: You're right, but I can try and it should be very little trouble for you to provide me with some terms and phrases I can Google, so if you would be so kind and stop cussing at me... (Second attempt.)
CP member: SOLID.
Me: Thanks *Googled, read, my knowledge got a boost, I got a promotion, I became lead programmer, my salary almost doubled*
Super Lloyd wrote: he knew, just didn't felt like explaining. Just pointing out I was wrong!
For some reason that seems to be the default mode on the internet 
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Thanks Sander!
Must have been quite painful... But couldn't help but laugh reading your little story! ^_^
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Super Lloyd wrote: Must have been quite painful
It's really saying more about him than about me or my article
Well, in this case it said a bit about my article as well, as it really WAS very bad
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You bought this[^] to mind.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Crap, I just deleted an email from a Nigerian prince!
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Well, I am coming from a perspective that sees Homo Saps as a very messy analog-wetware computer grafted on to a feral beast oriented towards dominance/submission, hierarchy, and sexual monopoly ... i.e., a primate ... as well as all the other "good stuff" ... to some extent a prisoner of hormones.
But, that big analog jelly computer ... so big that the size of the skull that evolved to hold it resulted in female human death during childbirth at a very high rate until modern times ... well, that brain is remarkable, and the jewel in its crown is language, and the paradox it holds is a never-ending series of mirrors reflecting mirrors: consciousness.
But, so often, this remarkable container of the virtual illusion of a conscious self, somehow outside nature, immersed in a cosmic illusion of a one-way flow of "time," gets its illusion-generator (the brain) taken over by a virtual dinosaur ... the limbic system, and, while the body does its dance with the hormone de jour, the mind plays catch-up, editing, and re-editing, what we believe is our "personal history."
So, it never surprises me when I see people use the relative anonymity of the internet to exhibit aggression; perhaps it's more surprising how humane a "virtual community" CodeProject is ?
And, it doesn't surprise me when I wake up and regret something I said, or posted on-line, although I try and make amends if possible. Aristotle would have described doing something "against our better judegement" as akrasia, a basic component of the human condition, driven, he states, by desire for pleasure, and anger.
Hey, you know it's very interesting to me that in Buddhism you have the concept of "mudita" as a part of the potential results (brahmaviharas) of the development of consciousness; it means "empathic joy," the ability to feel pleasure and positive emotion in the good feelings, joys, and positive experiences of others. It's interesting to think that I don't know of an equivalent in English, and the culture I come from. Interesting to contrast that with Nietzsche's idea that sentimentality was "schadenfrude without the pangs of conscience."
Well, perhaps Nietzche's words (from "Human, All Too Human are an appropriate close to this dis-jointed ramble by an ersatz litterateur:
Quote: Vagueness of thought and outbursts of sentimentality are as often wedded to the reckless desire to have one's own way by hook or by crook, to make oneself alone of any consequence, as a genuinely helpful, gracious, and kindly spirit is wedded to the impulse towards clearness, and purity of thought and towards emotional moderation and self-restraint
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Bill, I have to confess I have great trouble to understand your writing!
However some meaning transpire from the overall reading of the document.
Speaking of which there is some sort of English analogy of "mudita" (not a word mind you, more like a sentence)
- being part of the moment
- being part of something great
mmm... that's it! ^^
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Hi, Super Lloyd, I have trouble understanding my writing, also
Yes, of course, just because there isn't a specific English word that has the status of a "meme" that encapsulates what I see in the concept of mudita doesn't mean that reality behind it doesn't exits, and is not recognized in any culture. In English, I would use terms like "empathic joy," or "sympathetic pleasure" to describe it. fyi: a parallel to mudita (in the five brahmaviharas) is karuna, loving-kindness, often expressed as karuna-metta, "virtuous compassion."
to your health in mind, body, and soul, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Super Lloyd wrote: There are some people who take pleasure on putting people down.
I don't think it's pleasure. Such people consider it their duty, a chore that must be completed for the betterment of the human race. They don't simply believe that you are mistaken. They know that you are wrong and that error that is allowed to go unchecked does damage to the balance of existence. You must be expunged from the knowledge base; forced out and far away where your insanity can no longer be harmful. Dying is the least you can do to protect the Truth.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I'll write this down and find some way to insert this in my upcoming Role-Play campaign.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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It was nicely written indeed!
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Sounds like you have some deep insight into being an a**hole... You coming out of the closet?
I now feel morally obliged to down vote you... thinking that you might be one... O sh*t, I just proved the point you were trying to make.
Now I have to upvote you for being right in some or other way. 
:-P
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
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modified 2-Jun-16 3:10am.
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I think it is a human flaw... it is in everyone. We humans have some flaws which we like and find difficult to let go of. We feel that it is who we are and will be without identify if we were to change it. Some humans are in denial about their flaws. In their view they are perfect and everyone else is wrong. These humans also have tendencies to think that the whole world revolves around them... This view in itself is a human flaw (called self-centeredness).
It should be noted that at no time do I exclude myself from any of these humans I mentioned here. I have flaws, we all do. I have flaws I know about and don't want to change, we all do. I have flaws I'm in denial about, we all do. I sometimes think the world revolves around me, we all do. It is hypocritical to tell someone something is wrong when we do it ourselves... we all are hypocritical at times.
A little food for thought.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
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The average age on the Diablo forums is probably 5 and a half years. Chuck Norris recommends better forums/games.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Asking questions is helpful. I often do that myself, to get people to think.
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