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The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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“We imported them from a supplier in the UK as we couldn’t find anyone locally." Nooo.  The only, and properly local, delicacy I've ever tried is fried flying ants, and they were sort of good, slightly nutty, if any real taste at all.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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You cannot (legally) smoke or drink alcohol on California Beaches (apart from Paradise Cove) though that doesn't always stop people. Oddly, you can do either on Florida beaches. Not sure of other places. The Kommunist State of Kalifornia has some really draconian, leftist-inspired and completely dumb laws.
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Karel Čapek wrote: You cannot (legally) smoke or drink alcohol on California Beaches
Yes, and it's wonderful. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Of course, you can walk off the beach, perhaps to the car park, smoke a few and chug some beer before returning to your chair. 
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I remember when they passed the public smoking laws in California. It was so nice to not have to deal with smoke hardly at all anymore. I say to those laws.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Me too!
(As someone who is actually allergic to tobacco smoke!)
"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed."
- G.K. Chesterton
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Matt T Heffron wrote: (As someone who is actually allergic to tobacco smoke!)
Since it causes cancer and other health issues, one could say that everyone is "allergic" to the smoke. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Since it causes cancer and other health issues,
Rather certain that for the average person spending the day on a beach in California is going to have a greater negative potential impact on their health than anything besides fantasy land stories associated with second hand smoke on those same beaches.
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RyanDev wrote: You think it's a fantasy that second-hand smoke causes cancer
What part of the beach and spending the day on it did you not understand in that post and which I specifically pointed out?
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You made it clear that you believe second hand smoke in a beach setting will do nothing. Don't expect me to participate in your delusions.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: You made it clear that you believe second hand smoke in a beach setting will do nothing
And you made it clear that you have no understanding of all associated risks at a beach nor the relative nature of each.
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jschell wrote: that you have no understanding of all associated risks at a beach
Sharks. Meteors hitting the earth. Fat guys with no shirt on. Sure, I understand all the risks. What else is there?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: What else is there?
Skin cancer. Rip tides. And others.
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We don't claim the Peoples Republic of California as ours...
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
I know the voices in my head are not real but damn they come up with some good ideas!
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The PRC is so far to the left, that few people are proud to call it their own?? 
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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It makes more sense than banning public drinking.
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It makes just as much sense. While secondhand smoke may be a problem in enclosed spaces, I challenge anyone to show that it is a greater danger than car pollution or some such outdoors.
As long as the drinker is not disturbing the peace or obstructing traffic - what business is it of anyone if he chooses to do so in public?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Second hand drinking sounds like an interesting concept though.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Second hand drinking
Do you mean drinking American beers produced by large corporations? 
(This is not to disparage American microbrewery beers, some of which are quite good)
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: I challenge anyone to show that it is a greater danger than car pollution or some such outdoors.
The magnitude of danger is not a valid reason to allow it. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The decision to expend the cost of removing a danger should depend on the magnitude of the danger. I believe that the magnitude of the danger from secondhand outdoor tobacco smoke is not large enough to warrant the cost of restriction of people's rights.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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