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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: I'd personally have no problem at all running the standard .NET code metrics against all my code on this site.... could be an interesting exercise.
Exactly, but what I want is a more objective understanding of how the metric changes when I "improve" the code. Maybe even taking a small piece of code and applying, say, some basic design patterns to it, would be interesting.
What I would find a lot more useful in these metrics is if the code analyzer could actually say "here the design pattern foo is being applied which is good" and "here, design pattern fizbin ought to be applied." Now that might be interesting!
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: "here, design pattern fizbin dustbin ought to be applied."
FTFY
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: I'd personally have no problem at all running the standard .NET code metrics
against all my code on this site....
Maybe the hamsters would have a problem. Requires a lot of excercise for the code that is currently available.
Some might even die in the achievement. I'm not sure whether that is morally justifiable.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Marc Clifton wrote: I would actually be interested in an experiment (maybe a hackathon)
Up to this point I hoped you would propose a contest for the ugliest piece of code - I would already have won it..  
/Sascha
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 Interesting!
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I'm a great fan of KLOCs. That's a measure of the purity of code per thousand litres of coffee.
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I don't care about objective measures of code that make me want to SUBJECTIVELY PUKE when I work on it.
Red/Green/Refactor your way to happiness...
Make this commitment: Every file you touch to fix a bug, you will cleanup. You will at least make it 10% better. And using the testing along the way. try to fix as many bugs in one file as you can.
Eventually you will make your way through all of the files.
One must eat an elephant in bite sized pieces 
The sheer pride of knowing you are chipping away at the Technical Debt should carry you forward.
I will promise you, in a years time, you will look back and laugh!
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Sadly, if the coupling level is too high to allow for the creation of unit tests then "red/green/refactor" is as scary as having open heart surgery on a roller coaster.
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It would help if there was a definition of code quality, but there isn't even that. Code might be defect-free (in the sense of working as designed), but still not fit for use. Code could be fit-for-use, but so complex as to be unmaintainable. There are numerous dimensions of that slippery concept called "quality".
Cyclomatic complexity doesn't measure code quality, it measures code complexity. The hypothesis is that there is a positive correlation between complexity and defect density. Most people think of measures of defects when they think about quality, but defects are not the only or even necessarily best measure of quality. Defects have the advantage that we can detect them, count them, and graph them on charts. Dimensions like maintainability are pretty squishy. And dimensions like fitness for use are measureable in principle, but so expensive to measure that most teams don't bother (and more's the pity).
With cyclomatic complexity, what you do is look for the parts of your code with high complexity and test the snot out of those parts, because bugs lurk there. You can also use cyclomatic complexity as a measure of where to focus refactoring and abstracting efforts. A team might go so far as to require special review of any code checked in whose cyclomatic complexity exceeded a particular value. But there's no number that is "too bug". Maybe the problem is just that hard.
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- Prepare some chocolate chip cookies the night before
- Place cookie or cookies on the metal base directly under the cooling vent on the underside of the monitor
- Build and load test your latest creation. Test it hard.
- Enjoy the now warm cookie complete with melted chocolate chips.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I guess you really can have have your cakecookie and eat it, too
Tom
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Chris Maunder wrote: Test it hard.Enjoy the now warm cookie complete with melted chocolate chips.
Yummm. Debugging never smelled so good. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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You really should give us sarcasm emoticons.
edit: if that is even possible to convey in an emoticon.
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Slacker007 wrote: sarcasm emoticons
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Slacker007 wrote: if that is even possible to convey in an emoticon.
^o)
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Macs are suddenly looking more attractive to me...
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Back in the day (20 years ago) when I was "the IT guy" at my company and we just used a big tower as our Novell file server - I added a pair of SCSI RAID controllers to drive a "huge" RAID system (1Gb if I recall). The server overheated about every 4 hours, so while we looked for a "permanent" solution I took the tower's cover off and bought a $20 table fan to cool it.
We never found that "permanent" solution and the server ran naked with a cheap table fan running 24/7/365 for over two years.
Good times!
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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It worked, so there was no need to fix it?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: It worked, so there was no need to fix it?
Pretty much. The company president at that time was a bit of a Luddite and extremely cheap. I had to get a free 30 day trial for e-mail (internal only) between him and his staff before he could comprehend the benefits.
He bitched when I tossed a 10 year old Compaq portable (one of the old suitcase sized models with the 8" monochrome display - 8088 CPU, 640k, 10Mb HD).
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: The company president at that time was a bit of a Luddite and extremely cheap
heh.
I think I've worked for the same guy. Twice.
Mind you, it can have benefits, because it forces you to be creative -- but there are limits.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Chris Maunder wrote: Test it hard.
hmmm, that's what she said...
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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You lost me after step 1. When I make chocolate chip cookies, they are gone the next day 
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Chris Maunder wrote: ...cookies...cookie...cookies...
Mate, hand your Australian citizenship in now.
One scmiddy of shandy I could let go. But forgetting how to spell biscuit is unforgivable.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I'm speaking native so I'll be understood over here.
I've been here so long I now speak Australian and Australian. eh?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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