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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Pictures speak volumes..
I've been there recently, and it's really quite disturbing how like a ghost town it is. At one point I was driving through downtown during "rush hour" and there were something like 10 other cars on the highway. What's even stranger are the tracks of despair and desolation interspersed with small one or two block long pockets of "obviously somebody is pumping money into here." There's a significant "color" change in the people as well in those pockets, if you get my drift.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: At one point I was driving through downtown during "rush hour" and there were something like 10 other cars on the highway
You must be referring to a different "rush hour" than I experience every day.  I have to drive 17 miles to get to work downtown. I take the surface streets and it's about 30 minutes. If I take I-94, it's an hour to get to work.
Marc Clifton wrote: What's even stranger are the tracks of despair and desolation interspersed with small one or two block long pockets of "obviously somebody is pumping money into here."
Yeah, it is kind of a strange sight, even for us who live here. But it's nice to see something new in stark contrast to the wreackage that most of the neighborhoods in the city have become.
Marc Clifton wrote: There's a significant "color" change in the people as well in those pockets, if you get my drift.
Drive across 8 Mile did ya?  From where to where?
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: You must be referring to a different "rush hour" than I experience every day.
Yeah, something was odd that day.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Drive across 8 Mile did ya?
It was about 2 years ago now, I'm not where I got off to take the city streets, but they paralleled the highway more or less. I was avoiding some major snarl that seemed to be caused by an accident somewhere.
Marc
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Yeah, most people won't take the surface streets because of the crime. It's so bad now that you could get a gun shoved in your face in the middle of the day demanding your keys while you fill up the tank at any gas station.
People don't want to chance breaking down on these streets where there's little traffic. They would rather sit on the freeway and wait it out. I don't blame them.
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It hasn't been a rapid decline, see here[^], it's been a long road of crime and corruption where politicians have sucked the life out of Detroit.
If first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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I know. Neighborhoods decline at a rapid pace, not cities.
Detroit has been crumbling noticeably since 1960'ish. This city has never really recovered from the riots of '67. It's become the most racially segregated metro area in the country. Mayor Coleman Young didn't help matters back around 1980 when he said "I'M IN CHARGE! If you don't like it, go north of 8 mile." The money and tax base was already leaving Detroit at a steady pace and he did absolutely nothing to try and reverse that during his 20 years in office.
I'm not blaming Young solely for what's happened to Detroit. The corruption has been rampant for, what, 80-90 years now? It's also not a Republican or Democrat thing either. It's self-serving, nepotistic corruption no matter who's in office at the top or in whatever city department they work for that's killed this city, killed its education system, killed its police force, kill city services, and basically gutted everyone who lived here. And it's still going on today, even as the wreckage of this town is piling up around the "leaders" necks.
The problems also don't end at the border of Detroit either. It keeps going straight into Wayne County too. The corruption and mismanagement had become so bad that it was acting as a cancer on the surrounding areas and into the State of Michigan. So bad as to force the State to take action.
The bankruptcy of Detroit should have been filed over 20 years ago...
It's not entirely a sh*t hole. Downtown proper has seen vast improvements and investment. Various companies have gone through great lengths to help the city out with community outreach efforts and consolidating operations, moving them back inside the city, bringing back some of the money and tax base that's been lost over the decades.
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Don't blame the politico's, they were elected, and there is were the responsibility rests. They voted for it.
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A politician lies, cheats and steals to get into office, but if they all do it who do you elect?
We elected them?, I don't think so they either buy their way in or are but in by the elite.
If first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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I think many of us have the ability to detect liers in our day to day dealings. I think those in Detroit (and elsewhere) can too. It's just that they love to hear the lies. I blame them[^].
modified 6-Jun-14 20:12pm.
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Yeah, but that only gets you so far in that argument.
In the end, it really does come down to the politician making the decision to cross the line. We've actually had a couple of mayors that weren't eyeball-deep in corruption. Dennis Archer and Dave Bing. They may still have been corrupt, but nowhere near the level Kilpatrick and Young were.
I really can't remember another mayor back before Young, so my comparisons stop there.
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“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”
― Joseph Stalin
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A quote from a famous dead communist mass murderer is suppose to make one feel better about the political choices of a city in the US, but in a fundamentally transformed city, I think you may have a point.
I guess we are making comparisons at this point between Soviets and Detroit DNC party machine Mayors?
modified 7-Jun-14 5:02am.
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The argument was made upthread that the 'people' chose this...I point out a famous historical figure who thought otherwise.
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I was born on Detroit, but the family left for Phoenix in 45, just as soon as you could get new tires for the car (a 1936 Chevy). All of the relatives have also left (at one count in 1964, We attended a family get together in Detroit and I mingles with 45 of my first cousins -- all of them have left, all of the grand parents and most of the parents are gone also.
So sad to see what happened to Detroit.
Dave.
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mucho much faster, mucho much stabler, mucho much goodness.  
See here[^]
I installed the Dev channel build.
Quote: The new version replaces the existing version while preserving all your settings and bookmarks, so there’s no need to uninstall a current installation of Chrome.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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I like that you can run both 32 and 64 bit versions together.
I don't like that they don't share/import cookies - I now have to log in to all my sites... 
Does seem pretty quick to a brief look though!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: I now have to log in to all my sites...
Huh? I didn't.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I did - starting with this one.
RootAdmin picked up on that login though, and just addled for a refresh.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: I like that you can run both 32 and 64 bit versions together.
I installed the 64 bit version but do not see an icon for it. How do I know it installed properly and how do I run the two versions side by side for comparison?
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I installed the Canary[^] version, and when it ran it pinned itself to the task bar, just as Chrome was (and is).
A quick look at the properties gives the target as:
"C:\Users\griff\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome SxS\Application\chrome.exe" Which is a little odd, an EXE in AppData?
The only thing I notice is that is it a secondary installation, so I can't make it my default browser: that remains as Chrome and link clicking in emails opens the 32 bit version.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I will try the Canary version and see if it gets pinned to the task bar.
I looked under C://users/JmmyRopes and I don't have an AppData. I don't know where to look because I don't have an icon on the task bar.
I'll see if one shows up when I install the Canary version.
Thanks for the information.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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You do - but it's a "semi-system" folder that is hidden.
Open an Windows Explorer window (WIN+E will do it) and type "%appdata%" in the address bar - that'll take you to it as it replaces environment variable names with content.
(There are a couple of these folders: http://ss64.com/nt/syntax-variables.html[^] lists them, or there is a full list of environment variables here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd560744(v=ws.10).aspx[^])
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Thanks for the help. I used to know about things like %appdata% but have been doing web development for the past 15 years.
The Canary installation went fine and now I have a gold chrome icon pinned to my task bar.
There is now peace in the valley!
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I don't understand. Why would compiling for 64-bit make it more stable?
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