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C-P-User-3 wrote: We are a division of the department of redundant nomenclature institute.
Ya, you can say that again.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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You will get rich in one day!
But seriously - if you have the knowledge of web development (HTML/CSS/JavaScript) you can write on application that runs on all major mobile platform.
I did some development with it (a special calendar) and found it very interesting as a concept (even I think that native development is not the right way). If you have good ideas it is worth learning...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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How difficult would it be to write an app in HTML 5 which...
-- runs on Android
-- runs on iPhone
-- runs on a notebook
-- runs on a netbook
-- runs on a tablet
-- allows real time video twixt remote and host
-- allows data (text) between host and phone
-- allows voice
-- allows still shots (camera images) to be exchanged
-- provides access to a database while all this is going on
-- allows the host to catch and catalog the video, voice, text, database exchanges, etc.
...AND WHICH...
-- Doesn't run the battery down in ten minutes flat.
Is HTML 5 already set up for these sorts of simultaneous exchanges ?
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Such an application can not be client-only. You have to 'slice' it right between client and server side, however HTML/CSS/JavaScript is ready for the client, IMHO...
The question I ask - why native application? Why not web application?
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: why native application? Why not web application?
I always ask question opposite to this one: Why HTML/CSS application and why not native one?
Now, that's, umm, Contraincidence? Is this a valid word? 
On a serious note though, I prefer HTML/CSS apps only in case of "hit service-and-render something" scenario and clients have no "major" usage of device specific features. But again, that might be arguable. 
Whether I think I can, or think I can't, I am always bloody right!
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IMHO the power of web applications is platform independence, not only you have only one code-base, but you have no run any intermediate tool to publish it...
I have a long history of web development so I'm probably prejudiced 
Basically HTML5 came from the idea of making web a powerful platform, so beside some extensions to the HTML language itself it contains over 200 JavaScript libraries (in different state of approval). Those libraries give the web the power of the desktop (native) but still keeping the platform independence nature of it...
I simply like the idea and for that I ask 'why native, why not web'... 
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Thanks for the responses.
Thanks for the expansion of the discussion.
Moment of confession here: you guys have vocabulary that I don't.
Or, your buzz-words mean different things to you than they mean to me.
I need a definition of "Native Code".
I thought (well, until today, I thought) that "Native" referred to code that was specifically written for a specific processor. Obviously this is not the way you guys are using the word.
I'm pretty clear on Client/Server...
-- The client is the guy at home
-- The server is the box a zillion miles away.
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'Native Code' - in my reading - means a platform specific development, like Objective-C for iOS, Java for Andriod and so. This kind of code can not be moved from platform to platform, but has to be ported...
'Client' - is the user (mostly human) of the application
'Server' - is not a physical location but more the idea of separation, like moving database to a central location instead of synchronizing million local databases...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Okay, so we basically have the same definitions. Cool.
So, can I write an HTML 5 site that will access the major physical elements of the user's machine ?
e.g., Can the same code ask if the device has a webcam ? Can he ask if there is voice capacity ready ?
This is what I'm after...
-- Voice / video / text / graphics / whatever
-- Works on iphone, android, table, notebook, desktop
-- Same interface all all the different physical devices
I'm assuming that I will have to simplify the interface; and honestly, in today's world, that's precisely what I want: LESS !!!
Today's websites are designed to annoy, irritate, and delay the user's progress to the maximum degree possible.
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HTML 5 (and I mean all the package) is under intensive work. Part's of it already standards others are still in draft.
You can see the list of all W3C documents here: http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-groups-all[^]
The bottom line is that there are movements to enable all the things you talking about, but not all came to life yet.
Video - http://popcornjs.org/[^], http://www.videojs.com/[^]
Graphics - http://fabricjs.com/[^], http://www.khronos.org/webgl/[^]
Works on... - That's the whole idea, HTLM 5 has a very high support (even in IE) and it will be better in coming years/months/weeks/days. As Yesterday HTML 5 (the true HTML part) got the last call and that measn that we left only one month to submit bug fixes...So it's close...
Same interface... - That's probably the hardest part. I do not think that you can create a pixel-level similarity, but you definitely can get to the point where differences will no be an issue...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Excellent.
You are an encouraging individual.
Currently, my HTML knowledge is about four or five tags and an "understanding" of tables, which means that I keep looking back at a reference sheet somewhere as I write the actual code.
Time for me to get smarter; a lot smarter.
I welcome your ideas, anyone's ideas, on where to start looking.
In fact, I'll start a thread on just that.
Ugh, google, bing, yahoo,,,,,,,, ugh
I honestly dread trying to find useful information using them any more. SEO has ruined every one of them.
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The W3C page was overwhelming; 55 links to different stuff.
I will be searching for the beginner's guide to HTML 5.
Hmmm,
If I can't find it, I suppose I should write one myself.
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w3schools is a very good place to learn...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Did some serfing.
Found lots, not sure what's good or bad yet.
From first impressions THIS GUY[^] Looks interesting
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Been using Ubuntu 14.04 at home since it's release (still Windows 7 at work) and I bloody love it.
Every previous iteration of Ubuntu has caused me grief eventually, and I have ended up switching back to Windows, but I actually think this one's a keeper, anybody else?
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Not Ubuntu but Fedora - 7 years on it...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Messed about with Fedora years ago, when you still had to 'dial up' your USB broadband modem.
I recall being able to setup up Fedora to dial it up on computer startup, whereas on Windows you had to use the GUI after logging in etc, really minor but made me really happy.
How is it these days?
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It maybe that I got used to it but I find it very comfortable to use in everyday work (documents, mail, graphics). For development I use Visual Studio running in VirtualBox using seamless window, so I do not feel Windows at all...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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I use it occasionally but only for Linux development and yes I like this version a lot, it just keeps getting better.
If first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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Cool, still got Windows 7 on a VM with full hardware acceleration for when I need it, but finding myself needing it less and less.
I have an AMD processor and graphics card, this seems to be the first version which doesn't run like sh*t on AMD lol
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I've always had a lot of problems with monitor sizing using Ubuntu on VirtualBox, it's a lot better now.
If first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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SUSE 11 Enterprise at work. At home - mostly Windows Phone 8.1
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