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For automatic cars a foot on the brake while waiting at the lights is how it appears to be taught in US driving schools.
I learned to drive in England where most cars are, or at least used to be, manual ("stick shift" for the USians) and I was taught to go into neutral and put the handbrake on while waiting at the lights.
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For automatics the foot brake when waiting at lights is OK, they can't all be automatics though. Also with all the technology available today why not have a bit of technology to switch of the brake lights once the car is stopped for a little while.
For manuals I can't see a reason for such behaviour except for laziness maybe. Perhaps its the way they learn them these days.
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UsernameNotDefined wrote: For automatics the foot brake when waiting at lights is OK, they can't all be automatics though.
The vast majority are. Only ~ 1 car in 15 sold in the US had a manual transmission a year ago[^]; and IIRC fro other coverage at the time, the reason it was considered newsworthy then was that there was a sudden large jump from previous level of 1 in 25. I don't recall reading anything to say if the jump to 6.5% then was sustained or was just a brief anomaly.
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I'm not sure what the % of manuals to autos is in the UK is but its quite a bit more in favour of manuals. Probably something more like 1 to 15 the other way.
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This is probably because it is considered that manual transmissions are more fuel efficient than automatics and when you have petrol ("gasolene" for the USians) at $10+ a gallon this is very important.
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I don't think it is, it's always been that way even when petrol costs were a very small factor. It's more that our roads require good usage of the gears, and until recently (2005? 2000 at best) automatics were really very bad at selecting the right gear at the right time. In contrast, in the Americas (and Australia) you have wide straight flat roads where you need to be in the same gear for 300 miles, and then towns, where you need to trundle between traffic lights and having to manage a clutch and gears is inconvenient.
In Britain in particular we've also got a cultural tradition of driving for fun (see all the sports cars that we used to be famous for making for concrete evidence of that). That's probably a result of the same thing, our curved and varying roads. It's impossible to have fun in an automatic.
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Quote: It's impossible to have fun in an automatic
Depends on the girl...
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You beat me to it. 
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I learned to drive on a diesel farm tractor with a hydrostatic ground drive, so maybe that's why I don't use the parking brake at the light, even with a manual shift.
But yes, as far as I know, sitting at the light with a foot on the brake, is how most people are taught in North America. All automatics, and all older column shift cars and light trucks had the 'parking brake' cable connected to a foot pedal. Few of the older generation here ever used a handbrake.
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Because the agonizingly slow electric handbrake has become a thing.
You could also just not apply braking at 99% of the traffic lights, because they're not on hills.
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That's post hoc justification, people have been doing that particular bad habit for a lot longer than electric handbrakes. Which I would never trust with anything, by the way. A purely mechanical system as a failsafe is a really good thing (hence the old habit of leaving a car in gear when parked).
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BobJanova wrote: (hence the old habit of leaving a car in gear when parked).
My dad once left the car with no gear in. Sadly he forgot to pull the hand brake as well, resulting the car crashing into the garage wall. No harm to people done, but the incident cost him 1500.- on repair costs.
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Who builds a garage on a slope? And enough of a slope to let a car run away to more than slight-dent-in-the-bumper speeds? 
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BobJanova wrote: slight-dent-in-the-bumper speeds?
I wasn't more than a slight dent in the bumper. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that he just finished unloading the car and still had the trunk open as the car rolled away 
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Then I have an alternative question which is how does a slight dent in the bumper require four figures to fix? (Or even need fixing at all, for that matter ...)
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The dent in the bumper wasn't the problem - the problem was the demolished lid, which took the role of the bumper. The lid was almost completely destroyed, which took a four figures to fix since it wasn't really designed to act as bumper .
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I'm still surprised replacing the lid cost that much. I spent $3xx a decade ago to replace a door; the lid might have twice as much sheet metal, but it doesn't have as many labor hungry fiddly bits to drive up the total repair cost, and light clusters shouldn't be that expensive. IIRC, I was quoted $60 to replace one that got scuffed up a few years ago.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: I spent $3xx a decade ago to replace a door;
You may be surprised at the price today.
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People trying to shoehorn a garage onto a small property after the fact.
There's a house I drive by regularly where some lunatic decided to shoehorn a 1 car garage into a semi-buried basement by having a 1 car long micro-driveway that drops about 2 feet. I suspect it's totally unusable in winter. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Quote: You could also just not apply braking at 99% of the traffic lights, because they're not on hills.
Most automatics will move on flat ground when in gear without the brake applied - which is the situation we are talking about.
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I am tired of them bringing "world" market features to US cars.
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What? You mean you don't have fog in the USA? I beg to differ!
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What like Proper Suspension? 240 HP from a 1.6 Litre? 6 Speed Manual Gearbox on the floor? Better Fuel Efficiency? Better Ride Comfort? Better Build Quality?
Seriously, I drove a Pontiac Grand Prix last time I was over there and it was like driving a whale with no sense of direction.
Big fat engine that produced no acceleration, went round corners reluctantly and bounced around like a kangaroo on a pogo stick, even on the few good roads in LA.
Gimme a Jag, a Beamer, an Audi or a Merc over anything made in the USA.
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Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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What are you talking about Dave everybody knows they don't have corners in the US.
When I was last in the US I hired a Mustang for the week that was good fun and even though I had to stop at every "Gas" station to fill it up it still cost lest than the weekly UK commute!
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We have corners in Alberta.
They surveyed a round Earth in square miles, so on north-south roads we have two corners at each 'correction line', except for the roads near the Meridian lines.
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