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OriginalGriff wrote: order to install VS and SQL
I'd like to have a separate box for the database server and keep them off my development system entirely. Maybe some day.
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I've just been reading about 'what's new in VS2013'. The only thing that caught my imagination is edit-and-continue in 64 bit.
Is it worth upgrading?
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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I really like the delegating constructors and default template arguments. The variadic templates may come in useful. Apparently there are some speed improvements; hopefully intellisense is one of them.
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Joe Woodbury wrote: hopefully intellisense is one of them
Microsoft has been promising improvements in Intellisense for C++ developers since Visual C++ 6.0. I haven't seen any yet from the lying f***s.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Unless you need HD space, I don't see the point of removing older versions of VS; they all are supposed to work side-by-side.
If you really want to remove it, wait for all your testing confirms that there are no issues with new build with VS2013 (unit test, ... )
I'd rather be phishing!
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Yes, uninstall VS2012 and go back to VS2010, you'll be a lot happier.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Right what I did! 
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Oh no. I was happy going up to VS2012!
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Since I have dated projects, I keep all Visual Studio versions back to 2008. Though, if I buy an SSD and do an OS reinstall, I'll just put on VS 2013.
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Nothing is ever really uninstalled. Don't bother trying.
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Nothing's ever fully installed, either. There's always something you haven't got.
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Why uninstall it. I have all 2005-2008-2010-2012-2013 installed on same machine side-by-side.
I think you have to ask yourself "should I install 2013?", in first place.
2013 has very few new things (for sure it's not a new version worth a whole number).
I found two features useful:
1. Inline editing of referenced type (if it's in your code) - it nice but not a must have
2. 64 bit edit and continue (which is only good if you in win development)
After playing around with it an reading about it I can tell you two main differences:
1. If you want the new framework you must have a new VS (it's not new, we saw it at every VS-.NET version)
2. MSBuild no more part of .NET framework (so the only way to build is use VS!)
I have 20 years of experience with Microsoft - and the last 3 years I'm concerned about the way...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).
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You just right...
I'm talking about a bad feeling... It's bothers me how Microsoft handles us (developers)...
You see I had lot of chats with Microsoft's support persons according bugs, and that too add to this bad feeling. It's maybe because I had too much Microsoft in 20 years...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Why uninstall it. I have all 2005-2008-2010-2012-2013 installed on same machine side-by-side.
I'm diskspace limited, and junk old versions whenever everything I had to support them for is updated to the newest version. Currently got 2003-2008-2010-2012 installed; and I'm hoping to get the last major 2003 project (finally) updated later this year. Hopefully I'll be able to boot 2008 within a year too.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
modified 21-Oct-13 9:51am.
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IMO VS2013 is not less stable than 2012...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).
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Was this intended as a reply to me? I don't see how anything I wrote could be read as a comment on stability.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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It's late afternoon here...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).
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![Beer | [beer]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) o'clock? Enjoy, it's only 10 in the morning here. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I probably wont uninstall it on my desktop, but on my ultrabook I will when space gets tight.
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Stick each in their own VM. Sorted.
speramus in juniperus
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fine on the desktop, but too much overhead for my wee ultrabook.
Anyway, that is just giving in to defects......from an operational excellence point of view, 'tis bad!
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I need to convince the bean counters to buy me a Resharper upgrade first.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I am really looking forward to the AngularJS intellisense built into 2013.
Eric
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