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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: tell Management that the schedule is unrealistic, and that it will slip. They will not like the bad news, but learning this sooner rather than later will enable them to make the appropriate adjustments. Good advice. It took me a very long time to learn to do that.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I've had the displeasure of having to pull off an impossible deadline more than a few times...meaning long hours and weekends. The last one was my 'covid project' as it got the green light in mid March of last year, about the time everything started shutting down. I had 5 months (due mid August) to get it done. I have a colleague that helped with design and documentation but that was the only help I got. Honestly, I don't remember anything at all about the summer of 2020 except for being consumed with that one project, late hours and weekends.
On the release date, the client got a poorly tested (buggy) deliverable (website) that, while better than the system it was replacing, still needed a lot of work. Luckily, we have a great relationship with that client and as long as things were getting fixed/finished, they were happy. Over the course of the next few months, with more long hours and weekends, it became finished enough not to be my primary focus every day. These days, it finally 'hands off' for the most part and next month the annual contract comes due.
Now, what did I get out of the long hours and stress? Possibly a mild heart attack in March of this year. Seriously, I was at my desk and on the phone with one of that client's admin users discussing a new problem he had discovered (this guy seemed to enjoy reporting issues) when my chest tightened and my arms went numb. Now, 3 stents later, I'm taking around 8 pills a day to manage it with doctor visits every time I turn around.
My advice based on my experience...whatever you do, don't let the stress and long hours negatively affect your mental/physical health. Find a way to decompress and make sure to make time for it.
That said, I'm wondering if it's the number of hours or the lack of diversity that has got you down? 9-10 hours a day really isn't that bad so long as it doesn't become the norm. Good luck with your situation.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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If I'm accomplishing something by the end of each day, I know I'm not on a Death March.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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You've got to ask yourself (and probably management too)... What's worse, delivering late because you're a human being and not a machine, or not delivering at all because you're burned out at home?
There's no harm in peaking before deadlines, but they have to be realistic.
Also, if this is, or has become, the default mode of work, go sit down with your team and/or manager and talk it out.
I know people who make these kind of days (heck, I used to be one of them), but not everyone can handle the same amounts of stress.
If you're in the EU and you're getting a burn-out it's simply paid sick leave that can go on for months, no one wants that.
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I appreciate the advice. I am in the US, but the most European like city, New Orleans.
Sadly, there is no paid sick leave.
I guess I will just do the best I can and continue to haunt the Lounge. You folks are indeed my main source of srtess relief, and pleasure.
It's hell getting old.
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Can't quit because you get forced to finish ASAP externally, or can't quit because it's just so good in tickling your nerd brain, so you can't let go off it?
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A little of both I guess. Also not many folks would be willing to hire a 72 year old programmer, so that worries me too.
It's hell getting old. It beats the alternative only marginally.
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72 is such a sweet, flexible, number: divisible by so many factors.
It's at this tender age, and beyond, we can understand what Marcus Aurelius said:Quote: Duration: momentary. Nature: changeable. Perception: dim. Condition of Body: decaying. Soul: spinning around. Fortune: unpredictable. Lasting Fame: uncertain. Sum Up: The body and its parts are a river, the soul a dream and mist, life is warfare and a journey far from home, lasting reputation is oblivion. "Meditations" And ... laugh, rather than reach for Prozac
cheers, Bill (age 77)
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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It's great to know someone in the Lounge is older than I am. Are you still working?
Time is na allusion, just a way of measuring change.
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I know this "fascinating problem"-problem all-too-well. When it comes to deadlines, pretty much everyone in my company is in for "do it right, not fast". But in home office, pulling oneself out of something I actually like doing at 17:15 when the task itself (so excluding the at times bullshitty formalities surrounding stuff) feels like hobby, that's a psychological challenge.
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Time to quite.
Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.
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Try 16-hour days, seven days a week. When I'm heads down, I forget to eat or sleep. But that's just me. I love this shit.
At work, they started shutting down the dev VM's on weekends and holidays to save money, so I had to find something else top do with my time because I have no coding at home going on.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I'd not sure if you are my hero, or I should feel sorry for you. I am sure you are mush younger than I am.
Wow!
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If it's not your company, that means you have a bad manager: preserve you health because when it's gone you will not get back and you will regret it. Do not tell me that a developer cannot find another job quickly because I don't believe it, or just change country, or renew your tech stack. And I don't think in your contract it's written that you MUST work so many hours. Also... why they don't give you more resources?
If instead it's your company, then you did a bad job with the estimation, learn the lesson for the next time, but you can agree with your customer about a compromise, or earn less.
Then when you are done with your job, it will be sleep in the limbo for weeks/months, and you will understand that your health was not worth it.
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Please check my response to Member 916057 just above. Also, I work for my best friend and it is a small business. I am the only dev in the company. As far as moving to another country goes I would got to England in a heartbeat, if I had a job there doing as well.
It's never asa good or bad as it seems.
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Yes, I've been there. About a year before the big dot com bubble tanked I was working 7 days a week, 10-12 hour days to get our first demo done for the VC's. To relieve the stress, I went to the gym every night after work. It really help to take my mind off of work and it helped me sleep better. Unfortunately, a couple weeks after our successful demo, the bubble tanked and all the VC money evaporated.
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After my open heart surgery (Anuerysm repair, not a heart attack) several years ago, I spent a couple of years in a Cardiac rehab group, walking in a gym, I got up to 2 miles a session. You and the others here that recommended exersize are right. I need to get back to walking to reduce my stress, and improve my health.
Sweat can be good, as long as it is not a product of grubbing in the dirt.
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Walking is a great exercise. As a 68 year old, I pretty much exercise 6 days a week. On Monday, Wednesday and Fridays I do weight training (free weights and bands). Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday are cardio cardio days (elliptical trainer, spinner bike and stair climbing). All this helps me stay healthy.
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fear of being unemployed got me through those type of projects; when you live in a rural area with not much hope of finding another development job, with a one income family, you do what you need to do to get it done.
one of the worst jobs were being flown out of town (Washington state) to a remote Alaska town to create some software to work around hardware (control IO) issues, and power issues (town ran on big generators) that a fish processing plant was having. I had a bucket to sit on a cardboard box for a table, a 60w bulb above me to light the 40°F room. me and my laptop worked generally 12 to 14 hours a day+ running around all over the plant to verify tests/equipment. this lasted about 2 weeks straight with no time off. The entire time people at the plant were trying to work as the plant was starting up for the season and boats of fish were coming in. I'm glad I don't have that job any more.
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I have never had it quite that bad. But I can feel your pain on the worry front.
Hope you are doing better now. Washington and Alaska are both way to cold for me.
dude!
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I liked the weather much better up in Alaska, after about 75/80 degrees, I become pretty worthless, my ideal working temperature is about 60, and right now Washington state is 110 in my area.
My new job requires zero travel, and that is wonderful and can work from home or my small office. demands vary, but this has to be the best job I've ever had.
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Living on the Gulf Coast nearly all my life, heat and humidity are what I am use to. Also, isn't Washington State subject to Earthquakes and Volcano's?
You can run away from a Volcano, or a hurricane, but not earthquakes.
Glad you're happy at home, though .
Yes I am.
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There are a couple dormant volcanos, Mt. St. Helens burps once a decade or so, and the west cost side of the state gets earthquakes being part of the Pacific's ring of fire. but then we have a huge set of mountains separating the east side of the state, we sometimes feel a little aftershock on this side of the state when one happens on the cost, but very few, I can only remember 3 in my 45 years of life. I would hate to live in Seattle if a big earthquake hit, that place is so tightly packed, it would be near impossible to get out somewhere safe.
The down side for this side of the state, is that it's very dry. here's a map of the area, Google Maps[^] the green is mostly farmland, we live in the rain shadow of the cascades. But a tornado will never touch this area, but it does get hot here during the summer.
I hope to have air conditioning by next year, the swamp cooler just doesn't work that well in this kind of heat.
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It seems Global Warming is real. I don't want to say what my electric bill is in the Summer. And my wife and I fight over the thermostat constantly. But it is better than sweltering in the heat.
Good luck.
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No good answer. The sooner you get it done, the sooner the pain ends. Been there.
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