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So says this chap, well known nature loverhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/11071261/Sir-David-Attenborough-the-escalating-erosion-of-wildlife-threaten-us-all.html[^]
Well, I am not so sure. Mans buildings are no more than cliffs to wildlife, and happily use them as such; our house is a veritable zoo for bats, lizards, nesting birds, scorpions and all sorts of spiders, bees, wasps and creepy crawly stuff. And the cats cant get them in the loft space either.
Motorway embankments and verges have long been recognised as cross country transit routes for all sorts of wildlife since they are not farmed, continuous ribbons of wild nature. Train tracks too.
So lets say we don't grow in population, already achieved in Europe, and don't actively pollute the world, by not chucking chemicals into it, I don't see why man AND his activities cant fit into nature perfectly well.
Any objections?
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Just that little detail called Garbage...
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Recycling solves most of that, and waste separation
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I see lots of wildlife on garbage tips, seagulls mostly, they seem to love it.
Plastic though, yes, that should be recycled.
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for every bug we provide habitat for, there's a monkey, big cat or elephant facing extinction. I know which seems cooler to me
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SO the issue is poverty and ignorance then rather than that caused by development?
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You're still an idiot, and illiterate, it seems
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Well, I see your problem is ignorance still at any rate:
Elephants, poachers, ivory... poverty.
Big cats, well known Chinese soup ... ignorance.
Monkeys, bush meat ..... poverty.
Developed countries, no elephants, cats, or monkeys killed. In fact active campaigns to preserve species.
Perhaps you intended to discuss this, or you just trolled my post to get a response. Which is it?
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This was uncalled for.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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That's another point. He may be right  but still not a way to answer.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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To people who don't know the nature of our recent conversations, it probably seems that way
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I guessed so. Still, this is the Lounge.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: Still, this is the Lounge.
... Where it's OK to let people know that they've annoyed you.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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.. and insult them ? Certainly not.
You're such a jerk.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: .. and insult them ? Certainly not.
It's what some people seem to be designed for.
Rage wrote: You're such a jerk.
Atcherley, I'm cr@p with sodas. It's one of my many regrets.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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SO its a sad revenge troll reply then. Thanks for clarifying that.
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[Sits back in his rocking chair] In my days, when I actively participated in TCP, these kind of discussions where meant for the Soapbox. You younglings are driving the world mad, I say, maaaaad!
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You forget the small fact that Man does not ALLOW the animals to share the man-made living spaces. He kills them whenever he gets the chance because he doesn't want them there...
The cruelest and most uncompromizing animal on Earth is Man... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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Well, in the house I don't want bugs and bats, but in the loft I don't mind, as for the garden, its a wildlife paradise!
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I agree with Johnny on this one and partly with you.
To explain - I view the issue from a similar perspective like you, I like animals and don't mind them around me - apart from those that are an immediate threat to me. But as Johnny mentioned others are not necessarily like that, some people like to torture animals, others don't like animals while some people just don't care. So, yeah while it is nice to see that you don't mind animals, I agree with Johnny that the human race is in part responsible for intensifying the crisis for wildlife - besides all the garbage and contamination we bring along, even if not on purpose(oil spills etc.).
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Yep , plenty of objections . We are consuming resources at lightning speeds with most hydrocarbons due to be exhausted in a few hundred years .We are sucking up krill to turn into fertiliser to make grain to feed cows so that we can have beef . The population is due to increase by another 50% this century . We have an economic model that is based on consuming ever more , we treat it as terrible when we produce and consume less than last year. Basically we can only sustain this for so long . Because the timescales are measured in tens of years most politicians cant afford to think in these terms .
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This is al well and good, but the impact of this when it fails is on the human race, not on nature though. (With the exception of things like overfishing).
But in Europe for example populations are falling, isn't it therefore a god solution to get the third world up to first world as son as possible so their populations stabilise and perhaps fall back to a level that is sustainable?
I see development as good in this respect.
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Thats what the population bods are pinning their hopes on . The rest of the world will expand to raise the population by 3 billion this century and then when they are all educated and have lots of 'things' they will stop breeding like rabbits . Its a bit of a long shot , and at best we end up with 50% more people . That includes 50% more Justin Beibers .
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Quote: That includes 50% more Justin Beibers
Only if we allow the current one to survive and procreate. 
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