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Ah... see I have helped you down the road to recovery, now you have moved on from denial to anger. I cannot give you the answers you need to find them on your own.
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That's a cop-out, and an arrogant one.
You need to explain exactly what you mean, or you are just blowing hot air. You keep talking about how I handled things the wrong way, and then refuse to say what I should have done differently. You keep saying that I acted irresponsibly, and then refuse to say what a responsible course of action would have been. Unless you can explain what you think I should have done differently, I'm going to have to assume that you're just concern trolling.
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Not liking what I say doesn't mean it is trolling. Not giving you answers isn't a cop out.
I was trying to bow out of this conversation, but insinuations of trolling should not be ignored. I saw Alaric_ jumping in as well and primarily I am concerned that he and I do not start to triangulate on you.
I never said nor implied nor insinuated you are irresponsible go reread.
Expecting me to provide you detailed answers as to how you should have handled a difficult situation long since passed is not realistic nor fair to me.
Here is what you need to digest. The answers to your questions do not matter. Asking them and considering he possibilities is where the growth lies. A lot of these kinds of things do not have a right answer now or then - how could I give you one?
If you want to have a philosophical conversation I can indulge. But I wont go for further insinuations.
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Rowdy Raider wrote: I never said nor implied nor insinuated you are irresponsible go reread.
You need to take a deep breath and go back and read what you said. You did imply that I acted irresponsibly, you accused me of causing a co-worker to get fired because I didn't handle things properly (without saying what I should have done), and you only offer up advice along the lines of "go read up on emotional intelligence."
Regardless of what you intended, you were being insulting and arrogant. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I think it's a bit ironic that you are refusing to take responsibility for what you said.
Rowdy Raider wrote: I could argue that the more responsible approach is to manage the situation, NOT take actions that end up with the company losing two valuable employees. .
Do you really not see what you are saying there?
You seem keen on pointing out the psychology of others but seem blind to your own. Physician, heal thyself.
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This seems to be more of a problem because "programming" is intangible. It is difficult to imagine a building contractor not billing for a change order on a customer's whim, particularly when this involves ripping out work that was already done which is fully functional.
Much of this appears to occur because of the failure to implement well known and time tested principles of project management such as adequately defining a project to avoid moving targets and attempting to nail the jelly to the tree. In many cases when the customer realizes they are paying for the changes they keep requiring, in money and/or delivery date slip, their changes stop.
Another significant problem, unless the project is properly modularized/packaged and rigidly controlled, is that non-productive activities/enhancements tend to creep in. Programming is a creative activity, and it is difficult to avoid adding "flourishes" which add nothing to the product functionality, and which only the programmer will notice, for example writing a subroutine that is available as a library function so the program is smaller or runs [marginally] faster. User interfaces are another creative trap prone to introduce endless tinkering. In many cases "good enough" is indeed good enough.
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I'm in agreement here. If this becomes the norm in the industry it's going to run the same destruction my other job had: In architecture the client is basically asking for a Rolls Royce, yet willing to pay only for a Mini. And then as the project continues adds to it, modifies it, asks for 100's of throwaway alternative designs, to the point where the actual amount of work going into it (at the end of several years) is equivalent to a passenger liner instead of the original under-quoted Rolls Royce.
And the trouble is that everyone's been doing it for so long now, that that is what every single client expects! If an architect refuses he will simply loose that project as well as any future projects since the client then just goes to the guy down the street who's perfectly willing to work himself to death for the bare minimum pay.
Used to be a lucrative career, now it's more like 16 hour days with pay you'd expect for a labourer. So if this is where the programming industry is heading, be sure to rather go with those far-east sweat shops like most architects are also now doing!
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I was reading the Apple Watch pun thread [^]
And I noticed how well thought out the indents are as the thread goes on. It starts with a full indent, goes to a half, then a quarter, then an eighth etc etc.
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gotta be a CP record those two set up
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For some reason, I'm reminded of the Kyntyre rule.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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I'll need to Mull that over.
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Software Zen: delete this;
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That's the one!
Just think, you could have gone your whole life without Googling it. You are most welcome
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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You know what Mathematicians say; if you keep going 1/2 then a 1/2 of a 1/2, etc. you will never reach you point. I think we proved it.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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I guess there must be a fraction of truth to that.
Life is too shor
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I find it hard to divide my time.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Mike Hankey wrote: You know what Mathematicians say Zeno of Elea used to say, before ancient Greek mathematicians proved otherwise;
FTFY.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_of_a_sequence[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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A mathematician, a physicist and a chemist* are in a room. At the centre of the room, is a beautiful woman. The scientist running the experiment explains the rules:
1. When you reach the woman, she's agreed to do whatever you want.
2. You can travel half the distance to the woman then you must stop
3. You can hen set off again, travelling half the remaining distance, then stopping.
4. Repeat step 3 as many times as needed.
The mathematician whips out a notebook and pencil, and exclaims "PAH! I can never reach the woman!" and leaves the room.
The physicist sets off, measuring the distance travelled at each iteration, and plots the points on a graph. After about 3 goes, he storms off saying it'll take an inifinite number of turns to reach the woman.
The chemist then happily set off, whistling a jaunty tune.
The chief experimenter asks why he isn't daunted, given the other two proved it would take infinite time to reach the woman.
"Simple", says the chemist " I believe I can get close enough for experimental purposes".
*Different variations of this joke appear depending on your allegience.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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I don't like it. I can't tell what relates to what after a few levels.
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It's called a BD* indentation routine.
* Brewer's Droop
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I had a power outage this morning, that left my router bleeding to death...As I have wireless too I wanted to use it to connect the desktop, but there is no WiFi on it...So I took my phone, configured it as USB modem and connected to the PC! Now I can browse the web like old days, with the speed of a dial-up modem!
I love technology, for sure when it works...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Remembering the days you desperately waited for the whole picture to load and thinking, "why does the picture not load from bottom up?"
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But what if you're not looking for pictures of bottoms?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Hey, KSS remember?
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911 msrbm gtg
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Not talking black and white photography, I presume?
Life is too shor
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