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When you say "chat"...do you mean, like, on-line chat like Sype\Slack etc?
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I hate calls most of the time. They yank me out of whatever I'm working on, take way too long, and have a terrible signal-to-noise ratio. I'd say for every minute on the phone, I get about 5-10 seconds worth of useful information.
E-mails or other forms of text are much better... They don't interrupt my flow state, they can be glanced at and ignored if they're not useful, and any unhelpful bits can be quickly skimmed over.
Granted, there are exceptions on both sides... Some calls are useful, and some-- most e-mails are spam.
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With me working with various people from different nationality and heavy accents, I always prefer a chat or email to make sure all are in same page.
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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I prefer not to be bothered at all, but so far, that's not working for me!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I'd have to say most of the time I prefer a phone call provided I'm talking to the right person (non-technical people need not be there), and the subject is kept on point. Occasionally I have to get, what some may consider rude, when the conversation gets off topic, but I think we can gauge each others' understanding of the topic quicker than with emails. Ambiguities can be dealt with faster with simple questions.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I prefer chat or email. They provide easily referenced documentation of the requirements and the conversation, and allow me time to think about them and respond with comments or questions.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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...when a bug in your code go un-noticed during a client demo. [^]
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hands up every one who has done that!
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count me in
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Been there... done that.
Jeremy Falcon
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Hi All,
I went for an interview yesterday and managed to get a copy of my CV that was sent. It was litterally a badly chopped down version of my CV, for instance it looked like I had one GCSE in Chemistry, everything of interest including my experience with Altera tool chain was taken off. If you look at that CV I can start to think the Arts Grads take any term they are not familiar with out leaving not very much. The roles I have applied to that I though thats me and I heard nothing from could be due to the creative edits made...
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You have a GCSE in Chemistry! Wow!
(I have two: one from my O level, and one from my A level: if you fail the A sufficiently, you get an O instead!)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Tried A Level Chemistry, still have nightmares!
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Sounds like you were as good at it as me!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Yes, my 'A' level Economics ended up being an 'O'. Probably explains why I'm always broke! Funny thing is I got 'A's in everything else (erm, OK... a couple of 'B's but who's counting?)
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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This is common practice and you right; the good agents know what to keep, the bad ones just guess. Note: no one cares that you have GCSEs - it's detail that is not relevant to the job. A degree is fine to note and any pro certificates that are current. Just my tuppence worth.
This is getting on a bit but is still reasonable advice: Contracting for Dummies: The CV/Resume[^]
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What got me was all the Texas Instruments courses I have done, gone! I showed them my actual CV far more interest 'oh you have used Altera tool chain!'... I have taken some advise from your article but if they edit before it gets sent what use is there!
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Over the 15 or so years I've been using that pattern, I've found that they usually only remove the personal details and the first paragraph. The rest they usually leave alone.
Good luck with your job search!
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This is bad. They cannot change your CV without your permission.
Because what is written in there is subject to verification from receives it.
And if something is found to be untrue, you won't be trusted ever again in that company. And, if you are applying for a public role, you may be charged by the court.
How would you then be able to prove that the CV was modified by the recruiter?
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They always change your CV - to remove your direct contact details if nothing else, so the client can't contact you directly and not pay them their "well deserved"1 markup.
1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a well
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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One thing is changing or hiding personal details, attaching their logo or similar.
Another is actually changing your employment history, education or background.
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1: As in most recruiters deserve to be dropped down a deep well
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I stand corrected!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Actually I'm more for a public display of some kind. breaking on the wheel, a hanging, ... Darn, is there no justice in this world!
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Hanging's too good for them!
(considering that, in my experience, most HR "agents" are female, the dunking stool seems about right. )
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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