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yes, I know I can turn them off... now. I think, I'm still looking for the appropriate setting. Was working last night. Left for a bio break. Came back, laptop at login screen - hmm, password, hmm - all work gone, virtual machines, Visual Studio, browsers, everything gone....
Nailed by the "We're from Microsoft and we've installed updates - elephant you."
So, doing a little research this morning on how to turn this off, and I came across this little gem:
Quote: "Prior to the Creators Update, Windows 10 made most of the decisions for you regarding when updates would be installed, and didn't provide ways to tailor the timing to your specific needs," said John Cable, director of program management in the Windows servicing and delivery team.
"What we heard back most explicitly was that you want more control over when Windows 10 installs updates. We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time."
The audacious and pompous statement leaves me wondering if anyone at Microsoft worries about developers who have gone postal and are now listening to voices. If I were in a developers' conference and this pompous ass said this, I'd throw things at the stage. Just let me walk into their server room and randomly pull power cords on their servers. Total MS arrogant BS.
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Years ago, I ran a database group. We mainly used PCs to run X-Windows (the window system that never crashed) to touch Unix development machines. Had an IT guy proudly proclaim that he could reboot anything at any time. Curious I inquired as to his method... smiling he said, "Oh, I just pull the power cord." After I explained to him that many times my team had days/weeks of work running on their machines, and he should check before he did that, he stated, "Well, you have to realize that we have a job too" in the elephant you voice.
I smiled and said, "Well, either your career or your life is going to be cut short. If I get to you first, I'll walk you to the parking lot. If my team gets to you, you might not make it to the parking lot." While I was there, we never had a reboot by surprise...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time.
Yeah - what a ridiculously politically crafted statements.
Why not: "Yep - we heard, and we know, that your machine rebooting when you have a bunch of apps running with unsaved data and/or state can totally screw up your day". It'd be more honest.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I heard MS is going to loosen the screws a bit with the next update in regard to the level of control we have over updates. In the interim, how about stopping the Windows Update service? I do this on my two work computers because I was tired of updates being automatically applied, my computer being rebooted, and me then spending hours (days in some instances) rewinding everything because the update messed up my development environment.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Yes, with Creator's Edition (bld 1703) they were supposed to add some ability to control the reboot. This is what I am running, and I have yet to find it. Probably my rage induced foggy vision is hindering me.
That said, I actually have Windows Update set to manual. Seems it can now be triggered to start, I've now changed it to disabled.
Thanks for reminding me to check that. What a certified CJ Microsoft has become.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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In some workplaces, doing that for any reason can get you fired.
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True, but this be mine machine 
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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My post was more of a PSA for worker schleps than a note about your specific case.
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Search: Control - select control panel, administrative tools, services.
Find Windows Update. Right click on that Windows Update service and select "Startup Options" Set the startup options to disabled.
Now right click again on the Windows Update service again and Stop it.
Go Rename \Windows\Software Distribution to \windows\Software Distribution.old
This last bit is to clean out any update that is sitting in there yet to be applied that can dog you and even loop forever if incomplete. You can't rename this if Windows Update is still running.
Now barring some other vicissitude, your Windows 10 will work more like your toaster does. The same each time just like yesterday, without delay.
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charlieg wrote: Just let me walk into their server room and randomly pull power cords on their servers.
I suspect their running *nix. After all, they're smart enough not to run their servers with an auto-update anytime policy, right? Right??? 
Marc
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Welcome to the club! I've now gotten back into the habit of not leaving stuff open overnight...Win7 spoiled me for many years. If you find the magic setting, please let us all know!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Sort of makes a stable operating system pointless, doesn't it?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Quote: We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time.
They're just figuring this out NOW?!?!
Have they not been using Windows at Microsoft?
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charlieg wrote: After I explained to him that many times my team had days/weeks of work running on their machines, and he should check before he did that, he stated, "Well, you have to realize that we have a job too" in the elephant you voice.
Wow. So he took pride in his incompetence? Any sysadmin with more than 20 minutes worth of experience would know that if rebooting a machine is part of his job, then it's his responsibility to coordinate with whoever might be affected to minimize any disruption.
With an attitude like that, I can't imagine that scheduling a reboot at 3:00am on a weekend is something he's ever done.
Your response was entirely appropriate.
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Seriously, I actually thought he was joking for a second - I mean techies do this all the time... right?
Then I realized he was serious.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Quote: "Well, you have to realize that we have a job too"
The saddest part about this attitude is that such a person distances himself from the organizational goals. We all have jobs to do, but there is a REASON why we are doing them.
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We also heard that unexpected reboots are disruptive if they happen at the wrong time."
Yup, when, despite having set the time for this stuff to happen at a safe time it gets reset by an update, and the next update decided to apply itself (even though the machine was at the time disconnected from the network) while the PC was running sound cue software for a live theatre performance, it's pretty disruptive.
Like ticket refund disruptive. £150 worth of ticket refunds, I believe.
We have a Mac based system now. W10 had its chance and blew it.
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i like to play with tech I've not been exposed to. The Apple infrastructure has never really interested me, but it certainly can't hurt to expand my knowledge base. Local computer shop has a mac mini for $600, sounds like a training investment. It's small enough to sit on my Linux pizza box.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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“Smart contracts” are at the heart of the Ethereum blockchain. They are written by coders, so some people think of them as “apps”. But in reality, they aim to replace legal prose. Smart contracts can describe, for example, a set of conditions that will control who gets a pre-deposited amount of money. Or they can describe who will get to decide what happens with a pool of coins.
Fascinating read.
As well, the response.
We believe that TheDAO has taught us best how not to launch an open, asset-holding smart contract. Not having the option to upgrade code (that is yet to be tested live in the field, despite the most meticulous internal and partner testing) has been proven to be a sub-optimal strategy, to say the least. The privilege to upgrade the code naturally provides Bancor with full access to all aspects of the token.
Have any of you dabbled in cryptocurrency?
Marc
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Quote: “Smart contracts” are at the heart of the Ethereum blockchain. They are written by coders, so some people think of them as “apps”. But in reality, they aim to replace legal prose. Smart contracts can describe, for example, a set of conditions that will control who gets a pre-deposited amount of money. Or they can describe who will get to decide what happens with a pool of coins.
Long term, this combined with most coins being designed without any mechanism to comply with outside orders - something that IIRC Bancor does support - is going to blow up in someones face. "Neener! Neener! Neener! You can't make us!" is NOT going to go down well when one of these things gets litigated and a court order to do something is issued. It's only going to take one testy judge to see the entire leadership of one of the FreedombCoin projects thrown in jail on contempt charges until the community agrees to a hard fork to comply with the courts demand.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Theodor Bastard - Gerda[^]
I've had the pleasure of seeing this incredible band live for the second time at Castlefest last weekend.
I liked this band since I've seen them live two years ago, but their latest show blew me away.
Theodor Bastard is a Russian band from St. Petersburg and they mix folk with darkwave, trip hop and ambient.
The result is amazing, especially live.
Unfortunately, I can't give you the live experience, but this recorded song is still pretty awesome 
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I've noticed we seem to have quite different tastes in music, but this one I quite enjoyed.
Marc
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I have a wide taste in music, you never know what to expect (although it's mostly dance or metal)
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Thanks for the tip Sander.
Awesome.
Currently listening to other stuff by them.
They would be amazing live.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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Their latest album, Vetvi, is pretty awesome.
If you ever get a chance to see them live then go for it
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