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Some of my earliest memories are of my Grandfather taking my brother and I for ice cream near the Memphis airport so we could watch the planes takeoff and land.  His love for aviation stemmed from over 20 years overseeing the maintenance shops at Warner Robins AFB, GA. Many years later, after his retirement, he would take us to the regional air shows. Great times!
One of his favorite stories was about going down to a local garage owned by one of his friends. When he walked up, he saw two feet sticking out from under a Caddy. Assuming it was his friend the mechanic, he lightly kicked them to get his attention. 'Hey Red, it's Jack...' The guy rolled out, stuck out his hand and said 'Paul Tibbets. Nice to meet you Jack.'
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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kmoorevs wrote: One of his favorite stories was about going down to a local garage owned by one of his friends. When he walked up, he saw two feet sticking out from under a Caddy. Assuming it was his friend the mechanic, he lightly kicked them to get his attention. 'Hey Red, it's Jack...' The guy rolled out, stuck out his hand and said 'Paul Tibbets. Nice to meet you Jack.'
Seriously? That's a story I'd like to hear. How did your grandfather react upon meeting Paul Tibbets?
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From my best recollection, he was shocked and somewhat embarrassed...then quickly relieved with the handshake and laugh of a true gentleman. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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I think I heard a comedian put it best... I love flying, but I'm the sort of person who forgets their car keys. This makes me the sort of person you don't want flying a plane. If I had way more disposable income/time I would near definitely try to get a license anyway though. I've thought about an ultra-light... Basically a go-cart with a parachute and a really huge fan. You can fly those here without licensure.
I got into R/C flight back when batteries/electric were a fringe cutting edge thing and everything was still this sort of special diesel. The electric stuff is just way easier to deal with now and I'd guess more popular (have not done for awhile). A 1/6th scale B-52 with all the engines going on diesel is just an awesome thing to behold.
The bigger draw for me there is maybe the overlap with history buffs and the folks into it tend to be much older. I tend to get on better with folks who have some years on me.
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jochance wrote: I've thought about an ultra-light... Basically a go-cart with a parachute and a really huge fan. You can fly those here without licensure.
Ultra-lights are my favorite aircraft to fly. It's more of a pure flying experience. You get the wind on your face, you don't need to use a radio, or a transponder. It's that freedom that I absolutely love. It's a lot like the experience of riding a motorcycle, whereas flying a single-engine Cessna is more akin to driving a car.
jochance wrote: I got into R/C flight back when batteries/electric were a fringe cutting edge thing and everything was still this sort of special diesel. The electric stuff is just way easier to deal with now and I'd guess more popular (have not done for awhile). A 1/6th scale B-52 with all the engines going on diesel is just an awesome thing to behold.
That's something I'd like to see. I built a model glider once. The nail of the glider was "Gentle Lady". I really enjoyed the building process. It was simple. All you needed was a two-channel radio to control the vertical and horizontal stabilizers. Beyond that, it was about finding the thermals. You could fly it wherever you wanted to. Just choose a mountain. There is no need for dealing with gas engines or bulky batteries. 4 AA batteries were all that was needed to operate the two servos. The only sound you would hear is the wind flowing through the evergreen trees. It makes for great therapy, especially if you can't afford the therapist. 
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Sometime in my early teens, I got a little gas-powered plane that was controlled with strings. By the time it ran out of gas, I was so dizzy I couldn't stand! Thank gawd it was held together with rubber bands!
Earlier, you mentioned MS Flight Simulator. I've got a 2010 copy on my bookshelf, and a joystick controller, but haven't played it in over 10 years. My favorite was actually the glider training where the key was to find thermals/updrafts. Occasionally, I'll see hawks here flying circles effortlessly without flapping a wing, going higher and higher, and think about that game. I also have a Meta Quest that's been sitting dormant for over a year. Let us know how that goes.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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Quote: The so-called Dutch roll, said to have been named after an ice-skating technique attributed to the Netherlands
according to a BBC article.
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Interesting.
Because I was under the impression that ice skating is prevalent in Alpine countries. And Netherlands is not one of them.
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I even see some of the figures playing a game of curling 
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A TV report said that a Dutch Roll is a side to side motion caused by application of the pedals that cause the nose of the plane to move in a figure 8 pattern horizontally. They said the passengers might not notice this type of motion but it would freak out the pilots if they were not actively controlling the pedals.
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So what is Dutch about that? (I guess that is what the OP really was curious about.)
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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Shruggs: and Google says:
What is a "Dutch roll"? "Dutch roll" is a name given to the combination of a yawing motion when the tail slides and the plane rocks from wingtip to wingtip. It is said to mimic the movement of a Dutch ice skater.
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I take issue with the word "roll". I think it should be called the Dutch Yaw, because from what the (terribly uninformative) youtube / newscast(er) described, I believe it was a yaw and in no way a roll.
If I hear a jet-liner rolled I'm thinking serious stuff. But this was a yaw, like turning to the right and back to the left.
You think maybe they were trying to sensationalize the story a bit?
No, no, not the news. 
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The way I heard the explanation of the Dutch Roll is that it also involves the ailerons, so yes, there is a roll component to the motion.
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 raddevus wrote: I take issue with the word "roll". I think it should be called the Dutch Yaw, because from what the (terribly uninformative) youtube / newscast(er) described, I believe it was a yaw and in no way a roll.
If I hear a jet-liner rolled I'm thinking serious stuff. But this was a yaw, like turning to the right and back to the left.
You think maybe they were trying to sensationalize the story a bit?
No, no, not the news. 
A Dutch Roll is actually a roll that occurs as a result of a yaw. If you're flying an airplane that has swept wings, and yaw is induced, then it can happen. I've never heard of it being a danger to the flight of an airliner.
When a yaw does occur, it causes the plane to roll as though you were controlling the ailerons. A yaw can change the rate of airflow over each wing differently. Hence, the wing that encounters an increased airflow generates more lift. The wing with a lower airflow produces less lift. Thus, a roll occurs.
And yes, the news of this event is WAY overhyped.
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The are some phrases in English that use "Dutch" in a derogatory manner, e.g. "Double Dutch" meaning "nonsense". I expect that "Dutch Roll" is more of the same - using a yaw to initiate a roll being just the bass-ackward kind of thing that a Dutchman would do.
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