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Why do people go out of their way to answer questions that we know should be in a different forum with people we know abuse the system? Like, what's the impulse to be the sucker? Not really referring to peeps we know who don't do nothing but abuse the system over and over, but to those who blatantly do not care and 100% of their posts is nothing but questions in the lounge.
And sure, we've all done it at times (myself included). And at times I'll attempt to help if there's no forum suited for the query in question that I know of at the time of replying and it's someone I know. Like for instance, Sander just had a networking question and only now do I realize there's a hosting and servers forum. Oops. So, I guess I'm a hypocrite. 
But, we know Sander and know he's not intentionally breaking the rules. Can't say that for some in the lounge (won't mention his name). So, why? Surely, doing nothing but answering tech questions to people exploiting this fact is not a dev's idea of being "social"?
Jeremy Falcon
modified 11hrs 10mins ago.
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Not to mention there is still someone trying to answer his questions in appropriate forums... 
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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I think it's partly because folks know their post will be seen pretty much immediately in The Lounge.
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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^ This.
It's not laziness, it's just increasing the odds someone that possesses knowledge on some obscure/very specific topic will see it and offer a response.
Who in his right mind regularly looks at all the forums?
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I think it is nothing more than people liking to help others. Sure, they should refer the questioners to the appropriate forum, but in many cases it's much easier to answer the question.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I have an idea/suggestion/solution: it shouldn't be too difficult to give a select few (editors, protectors, whatever) a tool to move a thread to the appropriate forum, eventually informing OP of the change of venue. Not only would this free the lounge of the occasional misplaced thread, it might also breathe life in other forums. In particular, the forum you mentioned, "hosting and servers", hasn't seen a new message since October of last year.
Mircea
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I think mods can already do that. I've had my convos moved on occasion when I posted in the wrong place, like insider news instead of the lounge.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Like for instance, Sander just had a networking question and only now do I realize there's a hosting and servers forum
You and me and probably a few more out of the nearly 16M registered members.
The one steadily enforced rule is "no programming question", not "use the obscure forum that was created for that one time someone had a question on that topic and nobody even knows exists, which now includes the guy who created it in the first place". For a software developer site, "Programming vs everything else" seems pretty straightforward to me.
When you have too many subgroups, the end result is that nobody will see the post, and the poster will never get a response.
I'm 100% okay with the current arrangement.
Maybe what we need is some way for an admin to move an entire (non-programming) thread to a different forum, after the fact, if it contains some information that could be really important and useful to a significant number of people, and we don't want to let the thread scroll out of view, get lost in the noise, never to be found again.
But I sure wouldn't want that job.
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I thought, "that's a pretty weird way to start a conversation"
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I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I try to make friends
but I just can't get the DNA sequencing right.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Me to hubby: "Maybe you were just pondering in your mind, about how to articulate your thoughts to speech. Therefore I couldn't listen".
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James Bond did it better. (Against Goldfinger, if I recall correctly.)
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Over a year ago Espressif - the maker of the ESP32 MCUs broke SPI "SDA reads" under their Arduino framework implementation. An SDA read takes a normally write only data line, and reverses it, to read off it. It's a hack, but it's hack that nearly every 3-wire SPI LCD controller uses in order to report the contents of its framebuffer memory/read back from the display. You'd use this feature for example, to alpha-blend or anti-alias your draws. Without it, you're up a creek, unless you just draw everything to bitmaps first, and then send those bitmaps to the display.
So I did that.
Enter UIX. UIX is a user interface library I didn't want to have to write. It complements GFX, my graphics library, and the primary reason I wrote it is I can no longer reliably do SDA reads on at least on major IoT platform. UIX is a draw on demand framework that .. you guessed it, draws bitmaps and sends them to a display. It's built more to be a stateful, demand draw graphics engine than a UI framework, but you can't have the former without the latter really.
I'm not happy about it. That's an extra leg of my website, an extra codebase to maintain, extra docs, extra learning curve for my code's users, etc.
All for want of an SDA read.
Well, now they've done it again.
The ESP32 Arduino 2.0.16 bits are fundamentally slower than previous versions of the framework. I mean my fire demo gets 77 frames per second on a TTGO T1 under Arduino on 2.0.15 and just *29* under 2.0.16
That's not acceptable. Worse, Espressif has officially said they're not supporting PlatformIO packages anymore, so I can't even really submit issue over this and expect anything.
Now my solution? Give my library users the option of forgoing Arduino altogether. That means making any ESP32 libraries compatible with both Arduino and the ESP-IDF so users can use the ESP-IDF and not hamstring themselves.
I've got I don't know, 20 libs to upgrade? And then several projects to upgrade to be dual platform.
I posted a brief example of the sausage being made at the end of the post.
This stuff makes me angrier than it really should. Why? I'm not in control of my own code. I feel like a damned marionette just dancing on my strings to the music Espressif decides to play today.
All of this is just one more thing pushing me away from the ESP32s altogether. That and their lack of 5GHz WiFi support. Now that the Nordic nrf7002 the ESP32 is quite a bit less appealing.
#pragma once
#if __has_include(<Arduino.h>)
#include <Arduino.h>
namespace arduino {
#else
#include <stdint.h>
#include <stddef.h>
#include <esp_wifi.h>
namespace esp_idf {
#endif
enum struct wifi_manager_state {
error = -1,
disconnected = 0,
connecting = 1,
connected = 2
};
class wifi_manager {
public:
void connect(const char* ssid, const char* pass);
void disconnect(bool radio_off = false);
wifi_manager_state state() const;
};
}
#ifndef ESP_PLATFORM
#error "This library requires an ESP32 line MCU"
#endif
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Very interesting and a great post about SPI under espressif.
Quote: the maker of the ESP32 MCUs broke SPI "SDA reads" under their Arduino framework implementation
Was it a bug or a conscious decision by espressif?
If a decision, what was the reasoning behind that change? I understand you may not even know that answer.
Quote: Worse, Espressif has officially said they're not supporting PlatformIO packages anymore
Why have they done that? Are they just saying they don’t care and don’t want to support?
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raddevus wrote: Was it a bug or a conscious decision by espressif?
I'm not sure. If I had to guess it's a bug but since it's a "hacky" feature they can't be bothered to make it work again.
raddevus wrote: Why have they done that?
The scuttlebutt I've heard is one of two things (or maybe both)
A) the third party that was building the packages was getting paid by Espressif, and there was disagreement over compensation. I can't verify this.
B) (What I found out since making this post) Espressif never officially supported it, but they had it in their docs until it became a nightmare for them because they were getting issue reports for stuff they didn't make. I think this is more likely.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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