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A DAL could give you an abstraction on all IO, preventing references to the XML-libraries, the StreamWriters and, if applicable to a game, the database.
For all other layers, I'd wonder what value they'd add. See, the presentation-tier will probably be optimized, and you're probably not going to add another UI in ASP.NET.
venomation wrote: business apply s to "update"
That would be assuming that the entire state of the game is persisted (in a database) - I think you might want to optimize this, and only write what's required - and not the lot.
A ComponentLayer might be usefull if you plan on updating the monsters after your first release 
I are Troll 
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Thanks for that, I done lots of research on N Tiered design but never really considered game development in any of its situations.
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Personally, depending upon the type of game, Multi-tier architecture may not always fit well just due to the potential performance issues, unless you are talking tiers that all reside on the same system, and then it could even induce issues.
Remember, N-Tier is typically used to solve business level solutions where you can perhaps tolerate a bit of lag or delay between layers. In systems where people are going to expect near real-time performance N-Tier may NOT be the way to go.
Now, using for parts of the game like authentication, score keeping, maybe chat areas within the game, sure, but as far as actual game play (again, depending on the actual requirements of the game) N-Tier may not be the best choice.
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Hi,
Has anyone read the book called The Data Model Resource Book by Len Silverston? There is 3 volumes. Is it any good? The data models that he describes, is it still a valid model to use, or is it outdated?
Any other data models that are worth mentioning?
Thanks
Brendan
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Hi,
I'm reading a book on data models, there is a piece of text that reads as follows:
The subtypes within an entity should represent a complete set of classifications (meaning that the sum of the subtypes covers the supertype in its entirety) and at the same time be mutually exclusive of each other. What does this mean? Examples will be much appreciated.
Thanks
Brendan
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Simple minded example.
Suppose an order processing system has a payment method field.
This would be the supertype - every order has to be paid.
Now suppose we break it down by the method used to make the payment.
We could have e.g. cash, cheque, debit card, credit card, money order, etc.
We need to ensure that all the possible methods are covered (i.e. the set is complete). We also need to make sure that a payment can only fall in one method. So, e.g. electronic payment (EFT) would not be allowed because it could be debit or credit card. I.e. debit and credit are mutually exclusive it's either one or the other but it cannot be both.
This assumes the system must distinguish between debit and credit card payments. If it does not need to do so it might be EFT is good enough.
Regards
David R
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"Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis
The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.
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Thank you 
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Hi all,
I've recently inherited a couple of projects that I am having a terrible time getting my head around.
As I stare at a method of 600+ lines that is doing all manner of unrelated things, trying to make sense of it I wonder:
Is there a formal name for what I am doing here? Surely this has a name, surely thousands of people have done this sort of thing before, surely there are resources to be had.
Any pointers I could get here? A generic approach maybe? Point me in a direction?
blah,
-Jack
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Is this a .NET project? If it is, you can refactor it - there are tools that help. You could look at Resharper or Refactor!Pro to help you out.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Hi Jack,
here is my basic approach:
- write initial documentation (basic design and information flow)
- write unit tests (at least a few, because you will need them after next step)
- refactor (there are many books about it, see also code refactoring[^])
- test extensively that functionality is still working and you haven't broken anything
- complete your documentation (to the extend needed)
Now you are ready to redesign and extend where needed. Btw, in some cases it is easier to just rewrite the whole mess from scratch, in any case keep the outer interfaces in the first refactoring round so you don't end up rewriting the whole application.
Hope this helps!
/M
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Hi All,
We are using SOA for our windows Application.However we are confused with DAl layer.
First we started with Entity Framework,and it was dropped for some reason.
Second we decide to use the Linq , but microsoft stop the support.
third we are planning to use the Enterprise Library.
May I get some suggestion regarding Enterprise Library? or
suggest best technology for DAL Layer.
Thanks in advance.
Ramkumar
("When you build bridges you can keep crossing them. ")
http://ramkumarishere.blogspot.com
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Ramkumar_S wrote: Second we decide to use the Linq , but microsoft stop the support
Microsoft scored a big own goal here - they haven't stopped support for LINQ, but they haven't been very effective in communicating this fact to people.
I suspect your team dropped Enterprise Library because it is very complex and still a bit erratic in its behaviour.
Now, if you want to go with something other than Enterprise Library, then I think you need to take a look into something like nhybernate - it's possibly the most popular .NET ORM out there right now.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I suspect your team dropped Enterprise Library because it is very complex and still a bit erratic in its behaviour
They didn't drop the Enterprise Library. They dropped the Entity Framework. The Enterprise Library is what they are considering next.
I've never used NHibernate, but I have used its Java big brother, Hibernate. It's good for small projects, or if your team isn't strong on SQL skills. But we found that once the application began to get more complex and the database grew in size it became harder to manage through Hibernate and some of the many-to-many relationships in particular were hard to model correctly. Overall, I would say I'm positive about Hibernate but it's not the panacea that some people think.
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David Skelly wrote: They didn't drop the Enterprise Library. They dropped the Entity Framework. The Enterprise Library is what they are considering next.
I actually meant to put Entity Framework - the brain was thinking EF, the fingers were typing EL.
I've used nhibernate on larger scale projects, and it's very flexible. It seems to be significantly diverging from hibernate.
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I'm a great believer in roll your own, mainly because I'm an old fart who has all the tools/framework already built.
However one of our teams recently did some work in both EL and nHibernate. Its was concluded that the only reason for a framework was to maintain database agnostic code. There was approx a 50% speed penalty when moving from stored procedure to framework (we do batch processing rather than transactional systems).
As we have strong SQL skills (you don't get a job if you can code TSQL) we have retained the procedures and a fairly simple framework where each table is represented by a generated class (our own classbuilder app).
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Hi,
We are in the process of building a new enterprise application, that would comprise of an Oracle database, and a VB.NET application. Now my request to you all is to suggest the optimal architecture, in terms of technology, stability, maintenance, etc, bearing in mind that we would like to have a multi-tier application, with a thin client, and 1 to n business/persistence layers.
The application would be used by users who might be geographically separated.
Would appreciate your inputs on:
Winforms Vs ASP.NET?
Communication,
Data persistence,
Performance,
Any other criterion that you might consider important.
Your inputs would be highly appreciated.
Cheers/RB
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RajeevBhatt wrote: Winforms Vs ASP.NET
Winforms does not really qualify as thin client, and will require setup and deployment. This increases the cost of operations.
RajeevBhatt wrote: Communication,
It depends on your network architecture. If you have a homogenous corporate network, with well configured internal firewalls, go for the framework that gives you the most functionality, like WCF. If on the other hand, you will have to deal with different authentication mechanisms or domains, or with firewalls that only allow certain types of communication, you may have to kick down to a lower level of in-built functionality.
RajeevBhatt wrote: Data persistence,
Again, it depends: you may use a persistence framework like the entity framework, but if your data is not well suited to relational operations (and is large enough), you may have to deviate a lot from standard mappings, in order to optimise performance, to the point where a persistence framework becomes more a burden than an asset.
RajeevBhatt wrote: Performance,
Architecting for performance will again depend on the functionality of the app. Will you be able to scale on different servers, or are the operations single-threaded by nature? Will you be able partition your database, or will the queries by their nature prohibit partitioning.
As you see there is no 'right' architecture. Architecture depends on what you want to do. It's the same with building architecture: If you want a lighthouse, you'll probably design a tower-like structure close by the sea.
It will probably be unusable as a soccer stadium though
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Hello,
I want to design a C (Not C++) library for NLP (some thing like WINDOWS API but for NLP).
Is there any references for "API Design Guidelines"?
Some things like:
* How to choose name of API functions
* Memory management
* ...
Thanks
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"Clean Code A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship" may be what you are looking for [^]
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Hi all.
I develop a software based on an open source software in VC++ (Base software is "TrueCrypt version 4.3" )
I want to update my software when new version of base software ("TrueCrypt") released.
How I can walk with that software version with low cost and attempt? Are there any framework or method for this?
Thanks a'lot.
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There's a few points to consider if you derive a new product from the TrueCrypt base, like removing the text "A TrueCrypt Foundation Release". You can find a complete list in the license agreement[^]. There's no framework that does this for you.
I are Troll 
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I'm developing an app that allows the user to create custom data structures (which are stored in an underlying database). Currently, I'm in the proccess of designing a module that will generate reports from the user's custom data structures. (This way the user can obtain some quick output without having to design a report from scratch)
My question is: If the amount of fields in the custom data structure exceeds the width of the page, is it customary to continue the report columns onto another page or rearrange the fields so that all fields reside on the same page?
If my answer has helped you, one of my articles may also be a help. Also remember that your best friend's name is google.
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I'm not sure whether you mean a page on a screen view or the printed page, but isn't this a question to be put to the potential users? or based on 'Lessons learned'? Whatever you decide, possibly based on advice from CP, it may not be what your users want.
On the other hand, as this is a design question, If the only way the user can get the information they want is to include data fields in a report that either: Doesn't fit on the page (printed or otherwise), or is: Rearranged so the info in the columns is perhaps dificult to read, maybe a single report with that many columns is not the best design choice?
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I'd be more inclined to go with data dump type functionality, you no longer control the content therefore you lose control of the output. Display the data in a grid (if possible) and output via csv.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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