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When we see popular demand for this specific forum we'll add it.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Today's meaty (bacon ?) flavored discussions on the merits and de-merits of the voting system, and anonymity, and Nish-ji's comments on distinguishing views from Members from views from Guests ... inspired me thus:
Each time a poster of a Lounge thread, comment, Q/A answer or question, Article, etc. clicks to open their own content: they have some number of points added to a new rep category: 'Narcissus.'
However, if they then edit the content in any way, the Narcissus-point is removed. Let's leave open the possibility of analysis of edits-per-unit-time which, if high frequency, may be indicative of compulsive-obsessive disorder which is inherently Narcissistic.
Other behaviors that might be appropriate for Narcissus score evaluation:
1. posting frequent updates, solicitations, screenshots, etc., on your own article or project on the Lounge (aka JSOP).
1.a. This brings the interesting idea to mind that members with a high-level rep, who post programming questions in the Lounge might be evaluated for Narcissus points.
2. answering your own questions on Q/A, and accepting your own answer.
And, of course it would be 'poetic justice' if this post itself was awarded Narcissus points ... after all, the spring where Narcissus became self-ensorcelled is located on Mt. Helicon in the same area as the sacred grove of the Muses beloved of poets ... a place where as late as the 2nd. century CE the Roman traveler, Pausanias, was still able to observe the sacred tripod won as the prize for poetry by Hesiod in the 5th. century BCE.
best, Bill
CE = Christian Calendar
BCE = before year zero of the Christian Calendar
"Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted
line. He caught every other fish." Steven Wright
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Bill you are a genius!
This deserves more than I can give! Have a five anyhow.
"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."
Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925
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I was with you right up to the point you went BCE. That's one of my pet hates.
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But if someone replies to your question, you must go to the question to see the full response and any other comments, hardly a Narcissistic action.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
Trolls[ ^]
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That is an important, potentially confounding, factor, Dave. After all, we can never know, until CP is monitoring each of us by webcam, using HomeLand Security Grade emotional analysis and intent-determination software, if the motivation of the returnee to their own content is to bask in the sparkling of their own reflected glory, or to, indeed, responsibly address questions, or comments, made upon their shining palladia.
And, then, what of those ancient-of-daze here who may be on the fringes of Alzheimer's, such as this near-late-mid-life-road-kill who dares write these words now ? Surely they deserve compassion, not tarring-and-feathering with 'Narcissism,' for their need to refresh the memory of what they thought they said.
And what about schizophrenics, or multiple-personality disorders who are too lame to use sock-puppets per personality ?
I think the only way to resolve this would be to convene a council of wise people, a synod, a conclave, to consider this issue, and to consider the issue of whether solipsism, narcissism, and perhaps other paraphilias, might be fruit-looped into one uber-category, perhaps to be titled "Naked Self-Referential Egotism." Do you think "NSRE" has a nice ring to it ?
I wonder who in CP could possibly be on such a panel ? Based on the ancient rubric "there is honor among thieves," I would suggest a poll where said hierophants ... who in the opinion of CP voters most exemplified the qualities to be considered ... could be nominated by CP members ... perhaps with extra votes added if they nominate themselves ?
As Ur-Maunder, himself, has said, many times: CP Members are the best judges.
best, Bill
"Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted
line. He caught every other fish." Steven Wright
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BillWoodruff wrote: Christian Calendar
So M.Graus is up to make a calendar ? That is where he'S been all this time...
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If somebody visits an article, and scrolls all the way to the bottom, we can be reasonably certain they have read the article. If they attempt to navigate away from the page without voting, they should be prevented from doing so until they post a comment about why they have not voted. In fact, any future browsing to any page on Code Project aside from that article should redirect back to the article until they post a comment.
We really can't have these unvoters acting without accountability.
Somebody in an online forum wrote: INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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I was actually thinking of having a Kinect system and some electrical probes given to all members so that if they tried to leave their seat without voting and commenting they were given small, but ever increasing, electrical shocks.
I see it as a great way to encourage people to participate. The more painful and annoying, the more people will love it. Truly.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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For members who refuse to participate, make sure to give them a way out of commenting. One option would be the 45 test. The only way to pass is to comment and the only way to avoid commenting is to fail...
Somebody in an online forum wrote: INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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Hi AspDotNetDev,
This is, indeed, a "Draconian" solution ! ... no ... I'm not referring to the alien race on Dr. Who.
Perhaps your "final solution" would also be enhanced by having tracks from Sweden's Doom/Gothic Metal Band, Draconian[^], played at maximum volume ... assuming CP can disable all system level volume controls and media players ?
Until vote do us part ?
best, Bill
"Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted
line. He caught every other fish." Steven Wright
modified 20-Oct-11 21:05pm.
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I was getting ready to give you a piece of my mind when I realized that you were joking (icon).
Must drink more coffee.
Just along for the ride.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
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AspDotNetDev wrote: If somebody visits an article, and scrolls all the way to the bottom, we can be reasonably certain they have read the article.
Nope. For subjects I'm not familiar with but willing to learn, I often look at the score, then scroll down right away to see how many MVP's have already commented, and read some of their reaction, and only then decide whether I'm going to read, skim, or skip the article.
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It'd be nice to see something like that.
Guest views : 455
Member views : 514
Thanks.
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What value would this add?
Guests are real people too, y'know.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: What value would this add?
Guests are real people too, y'know.
I was just wondering about views to votes/comments ratio. Many recent C++ articles here (and not just mine) get 1000s of views but few votes/comments. Compare this to SL/ASP.NET/WPF articles which seem to attract votes/comments. I've seen SL/WPF articles get as many as 15 votes before the view count hits 500. Meanwhile a C++ article I recently posted hit 1000 views with 0 votes or comments. I've observed the same with Mike Dunn's recent Windows 7 articles (most excellent I may add).
I feel that C++ articles are read more by guests here than members. And based on Lounge discussions, it seems CPians are predominantly a managed crowd these days. I just wanted some actual data to back up my theory
[if it's too much load to do this for everyone, could you at least enable it for gold/platinum-only?]
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I just think C++ devs are of a higher calibre and deeply introspective. They are the strong, silent types who need comment only when necessary, unlike the chattering magpies in the web/UI development world.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: I just think C++ devs are of a higher calibre and deeply introspective. They are
the strong, silent types who need comment only when necessary, unlike the
chattering magpies in the web/UI development world.
Thanks. That's a nice way of saying no to me
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: it seems CPians are predominantly a managed crowd these days.
Are you serious? have you been to the lounge, soapbox , back room lately.
I wouldn't call that managed, more like chaos
(for those who can't see the icon I know he didn't mean managed like that )
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: it seems CPians are predominantly a managed crowd these days
I beg to differ. They are completely unmanageable.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: I beg to differ. They are completely unmanageable.
Perhaps you need a more aggressive GC then? 
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I don't know if we could handle a more agressive Christian.
Somebody in an online forum wrote: INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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Chris Maunder wrote: Guests are real people too, y'know.
Again, Chris, I don't see this in the site documentation. Just saying. 
Just along for the ride.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
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I like this idea. The good thing about member views is that Chris has the member ID to avoid showing duplicate views, so four values could actually be shown:
Guest views: 455
Member views: 514
Unique member views: 100
Member views by members who are not you: 103
Somebody in an online forum wrote: INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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AspDotNetDev wrote: Member views by members who are not you:
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