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Is that the year of implementation? 
Chris Meech
I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]
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Even MSDN[^] thinks so...
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You ever have that feeling you're being followed?
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Only when people do things right. 
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Chris Maunder wrote: The biggest, trickiest problem is that VB grew from a simple poorly structured
language to the 1st class citizen it now is a complex poorly structured language
Wow, Chris - that was the longest continuous typo I've ever seen. Don't worry - I fixed it for ya.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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Gregory.Gadow wrote: The constant bashing and insults are making me reconsider my association with CP.
Deal with it like you deal with Trolls...ignore it. If you are going to quit CP because your feelings got hurt regarding the VB bashing then go ahead and quit. You will be distant memory in about 1 week tops, I promise you.
However, you have been around for a while now and I think you know how things work here. I also think you have a lot to contribute to the community and for you to go would be a sad event.
All I can tell you is to suck it up and drive on.
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** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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Slacker007 wrote: You will be distant memory in about 1 week tops, I promise you.
What an incredibly unhelpful comment.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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helpful or not Chris, it's true.
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Oh gimme a break. We don't attack Gerg personally. He came here and made an absurd request. There are almost 8 million user (accounts) here, and I think everything pretty much works out in the wash. There will be a number of people that simply don't like a given tool/language/whatever, and VB happens to be on many people's short list. Maybe the OP simply needs to take a break and re-evaluate what's important to him - the occasional jab in the ribs regarding VB (and that aren't directed at him) and the otherwise valuable exchange of sometimes wildly differing ideas, or finding/creating some idyllic fantasy world where everyone agrees with him (and is completely boring as a result).
Personally, I enjoy the sometimes scathing banter that goes on here, but then again, I *am* an outlaw.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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It's pretty clear that Gregory is a little over the whole VB bashing thing and he's got the right to complain, and you guys have the right to diss VB.
However, I'm not going to back down from saying that a fairly personal comment like "go away, you won't be missed" is unhelpful. It's not funny, it's not teasing, it's just rude.
Edit: Here[^] is a post that exemplifies the issues Gregory has mentioned and that deeply depresses me. There's a difference between being known as a place of high spirited banter (which we all want), and a place full of ego-driven kids who take pleasure from putting down others (which a minority may enjoy but not on my site please).
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: go away, you won't be missed
Show me where I said that Chris.
I said that if he were to go away that he would not be missed and that is the truth. I very rarely, insult people on this site for the sake of being rude or insulting. So forgive me if I take offense to your misinterpretation of what I was trying to say. You obviously did not read the rest of my post.
Yes, this is your site, and if you don't like the way I play in your sandbox then get rid of the rest of the kids as well. There are far worse here than myself.
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** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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I paraphrased based on my (evidently) misunderstanding of your meaning.
Is it really that bad of me to ask everyone to be polite? Does it really need to be debated? Really?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Gregory.Gadow wrote: There are more VB programmers out there than there are C#
But I would hypothesize that the average skill level is higher for the C# crowd, because pre-NET, VB was only really targeted toward inexperienced programmers, quick-and-dirty solutions, and people who needed just a little more than Excel/Access VBA could provide*. Yes, there are some amazing VB.NET programmers, just like there are some horrible C# programmers, but talking about averages here.
Sure, VB.NET is just as powerful as C#, really only differing by syntax, but it just has a bad reputation. Maybe this reputation is self-reinforcing, with article writers putting their stuff in C# (Even if they prefer VB.NET) so as to seem more skilled.
I think the above-mentioned "task 2121" could do a lot to fix this.
* I'm not just trying to bash it... I learned to program in Atari Basic, and generally stuck with it right up until I was using VB6 professionally... I've seen how bad it can get... Soon as .NET came along, I moved from there to C# and never looked back.
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Are you now suggesting we bash VB users, not the VB language? 
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Ian Shlasko wrote: But I would hypothesize that the average skill level is higher for the C# crowd
My experience with .NET programmers across three states and stretching through about 9 years and including a stint on Microsoft New England's Web Designers Council, suggests that your hypothesis is not accurate. Most of the folks you cite as needing little more than "Excel/Access VBA" never made the jump to .NET. The last time I saw any statistics\, about 40% of the VB6ers never made the jump. Folks like Deborah Kurata, Marco Belinaso, and Rocky Lhotka who championed the switch were, in either version of the language, incomprehensible to the guys who chose to stay with VB6. Admittedly, I have have only worked with American programmers and cannot comment on the global situation.
In my humble opinion, anyone who identifies himself with only C# or only VB .NET, is being downright foolish. To have a submitted resume dumped in the circular file because one finds it beneath him to learn a slightly different syntax is giving himself a wedgie.
In real engineering, you do what works in practice, even if the theory says it fails. In social engineering, you do what theory says works, even if it fails in practice.
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Chill, dude. You should see the abuse I get for being the lone C# programmer in a VB shop...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I get for being the lone C# programmer in a VB shop
A bit like the bright kid accidently assigned to the special needs class.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction.
My work here is done.
or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
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Thank you for exemplifying the sh*t I get so tired of having to put up with.
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I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. In the end, who cares what anyone else thinks of the tools you use? If coding in VB puts beans on your dinner table, that's all that really counts, right? If you like to code in VB, that's all that really counts, right? You really gotta learn to chill.
BTW, VB sucks.
Just for some qualification, I'm currently working in a VB shop, so I think I have the right to say it sucks. I've had to go waste deep into all of the variant cesspools of VB, including VBA, VBScript, VB6, and VB.Net, and *I freakin hate doing it*, but it puts beans on the table.
EDIT (after two 1-votes) =========================
1-voting my anti-VB posts won't change the vast amount of suckage that is VB, so go ahead, act like children, and throw tantrums in the form of 1-votes.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010----- "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
modified on Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:53 PM
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Gregory.Gadow wrote: I get so tired of having to put up with
Ignore them both. They were dropped on their heads at birth.
In real engineering, you do what works in practice, even if the theory says it fails. In social engineering, you do what theory says works, even if it fails in practice.
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Gregory, you aren't going to win friends by univoting people. Rather than complain about it, win them round by showing they are wrong.
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How silly of me, being the only person voting 1 on this thread. Caught!
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I think you need a hobby - coding in VB is obviously stressing you out. My hobbies are to build model cars and shoot at VB-oriented books with high-powered rifles in preparation for the upcoming zombie apocalypse.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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You have no sense of humor at all...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I'd say that was a given.
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