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Given the fact that most edits that occur on posts and articles are fairly minor in nature, shouldn't the default state for the "Minor edit" checkbox be checked?
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I worry this would lead to members making major edits and not having them be counted as major due to them missing the checkbox.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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And that's a problem how?
Isn't the main function / idea of the edit to clarify the question and not to gain reputation points?
I swear everyone is to caught up in this whole reputation thing, we are here to help and receive help anything beyond that shouldn't be that important. At least that's my opinion for whatever it may count 
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It's a valid point. The reason I bought this up is because somebody was complaining about the editing done to their blog post, which lead to a whole debate on what constitutes a major or minor edit. If, by default, everything is a minor edit, then it should make it easier for the OP to get a feel for changes.
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The minor / major thing determines whether a new version is created. If someone changes a typo or fixes a handing tag then do we always want it marked as a new version?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I know what it does.
My point was that it might be better to have the checkbox off by standard (like you'r suggestion now), the majority of the edits are probably minor anyway so ...
Anyway I was trying to say that the reputation points gained for an edit shouldn't have any effect on your decision in this matter since it's main function is to make the question better and not to gain reputation.
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But, does this lead to people getting points for simply adding a comma?
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: But, does this lead to people getting points for simply adding a comma?
Yes, IMO.
There are people who "live" in Q/A only. They edit very, very small things and rack up the points at a quick pace. You look at the Q/A sometimes and there is only one or two names listed for revisions and almost every question has been revised.
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The is what I was trying to say when we discussed this in the Lounge.
..Go Green..
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Speaking of editing articles, shouldn't we still get editing points, even if we don't change 10% of the article? There have been many times where I've edited an article to remove bogus tags, or just add PRE tags, but I didn't tip the % changed threshhold, even after spending (sometimes) 15 minutes (or more) editing an article that was hopelessly unreadable. Just sayin...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Minor points for minor edits, major points for major edits.
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Dalek Dave wrote: Minor points for minor edits, major points for major edits.
Agree.
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Slow typing should not be rewarded IMO. If you want more points per hour, I suggest you take a "fast typing" correspondence course.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: Slow typing should not be rewarded IMO.
I agree. Rep points should be warded on a per key stroke basis and bonuses for reaching a certain amount per hour. 
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My point is that editing is editing. I'm not saying give edit points based on time, I'm saying give edit points for editing, and Dave said it more precisely - minor poiints for minor edits, ad major points for major edits. My complain is that I don't even get the 2 points for editing, even if it talkes me half an hour to straighten out somebody's crappy attept at HTML. The current reward (or lack thereof) is simply not equitable.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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The "minor edit" checkbox is a dog. It should not exist. See my reply to Pete in this thread.
And every effort we put in, should result in some points being awarded. One can discuss whether they should be proportional to the effort or proportional to the net value, but that is about it. And it is hard enough. I personally am not impressed by the recently introduced bookmarking points; getting points for being bookmarked is OK, getting points for bookmarking just about anything does not sound right to me. Rather than typing this very message (1 Debator point), I could have spent those 60 seconds hitting twenty different bookmark widgets (40 Organizer points).
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Well said. I have 5-voted and bookmarked your post (and replied to it for good measure). 
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The "minor edit" checkbox allows us to determine whether a new version will be created. How about I rename it to save version history".
Luc Pattyn wrote: And every effort we put in, should result in some points being awarded
Absolutely. The issue many seem to be missing, though, is that there hits a point where a compromise has to be made in order to limit malicious members' ability to game the system. We're trying to keep a balance.
Luc Pattyn wrote: getting points for bookmarking just about anything does not sound right to me
If a member bookmarks an item it means it's important. It's very important to us to know what items are being bookmarked - it can be even more of a guide to an items value to others than the rating system. Hence the action gets awarded since it helps organise the content for us. We have put daily limits in place to try and limit how much this can be gamed.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: How about I rename it to save version history".
Doesn't sound right, I'm afraid too many people will not understand what that means.
I would like more time to think about automating this.
Chris Maunder wrote: If a member bookmarks an item it means it's important
If he is serious about it, yes. However, posting a very short message, voting, and bookmarking can be done effortlessly, are rewarded, and have a decreasing visibility to the community, making bookmarking lots of different "objects" a prime candidate for gaming the system. IMO the ratio of points versus value and gaming risk is not OK. However, I currently have no suggestion on this matter.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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You should have.
Which article was it? I'll dig in and see what happened with the points.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I can't recall the last time it happened, but it was at weeks ago. If you say it should work the way I described, I'll try to remember to pay more attention the next time I do it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Nope. First of all, I appreciate edits get awarded, and content-related edits should be discernible from formatting edits, as the former may be a trigger to read the material again. But having a checkbox with a default state is just wrong. Whatever the default value is, it will be bad.
If we must have user intervention here, it should be explicit, without any default. Yes that means an extra step when done editing. Some kind of "is this a major or a minor edit?" dialog.
However, we really should have that automated. CP has the old text and the new text, how hard can it be to decide whether the edit is mostly content-related or not? any attempt to automate is bound to be better than having a checkbox, a default, and most likely a majority of editors not interested in it.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: However, we really should have that automated. CP has the old text and the new text, how hard can it be to decide whether the edit is mostly content-related or not? any attempt to automate is bound to be better than having a checkbox, a default, and most likely a majority of editors not interested in it.
I agree.
I cannot see the point of the CheckBox at all.
I genuinely try to remember to check it if I have altered a single letter typo but sometimes forget. In any event, as I understand it, I wouldn't get points for that change anyway since it would be less than a 10% change.
So if it is possible to calculate a 10% change, the CheckBox is redundant.
Or have I, as usual, missed the point of the CheckBox?
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus!
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Henry Minute wrote: So if it is possible to calculate a 10% change, the CheckBox is redundant.
Or have I, as usual, missed the point of the CheckBox?
Check.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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They could always take the WinZip approach and have 2 buttons: "Submit Minor Edit" and "Submit Major Edit". And swap their positions each time.
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